Topic: Why I won't be watching Lego Movie

I got a preview of the new sets long ago, but the Lego Club magazine confirmed it.  I really don't think this is a spoiler because 1) It's basic character information and 2) It's been mentioned in the Club magazine.  So I will write this without the spolier filter.  Like so many movies, in this one, the Business CEO is duced to a one-dimensional stereotype, rinforcing the myth that business and business executives are evil.   Making "Business" his name makes it metophorical and much more powerful.  It's all being aimed at children, who absorb impressions from visual media.-

My message is especially for the young (teen) brickfilmers.  Please know that Hollywood is FAKE, movies are not real life, and they have tendecies to perpetrate myths that businesses are evil.  People who own businesses invest their own money into getting it going, invest countless hours they'd probably want to spend with their families, reinvest their profits into sustaining their business, and provide jobs for others while providing goods & services that people want.  Also realize that, the major movie studios like Warner Brothers and the Lego Group itself are large businesses which started from nothing and became what they are because of the hard work of dedicated people.  They should know by experience.  Don't fall for the stereotype.  Other Hollywood myths are: military people are triggerhappy, Christians are backwards and repressive, people who live in the Heartland are dumb (and backwards (and repressive)) homosexuals are artsy & love showtunes (never undered the showtunes stereotype at all), Jews are thrifty/ greedy, police are corrupt.

Here is an except from a section on character design and development, in the chapter on writing a comedy series in my guide, "The Holding Our Own Guide to Brickfilming":

"People disagree with each other on issues.  But you're being unrealistic if someone is a bad person just because they have a different political point of view.  I hate Happy Feet. I hate Avatar(ted). (The fact that James Cameron is incapable of giving any of his characters depth in any of his movies doesn't help.)  I hate the motion picture corruption of The Lorax.  I hate the 2011 Muppets movie.  They all turn the antagonist into a one-dimensional stereotype.  Even in The Muppets, throughout the movie the bad guy is named "An Evil Oil Tycoon", almost as if it's his name.  You can't get flatter than that: oil tycoon = evil.  People start to apply these labels to people in real life.  Who wants to sit in a theatre to relax after working all week and get preached to?  In “Holding Our Own”, the parents' political leanings are much closer to mine, and Johnny is far from it.  Yet, Johnny is intellectually equal to Brent, probably considerably smarter.  He's sharp witted, funny, and often zings his verbal opponents.  Brent often falters.  The show tries to be fair to everyone; each character has a brilliant shining moment and a foolish moment.  Johnny's not a bad person.  He just sees everything differently from Missy's parents.  Even a drug dealer or Planned Parenthood employee has a reason they got to poisoning kids minds or killing babies for profit.  They didn't just start out evil.  Maybe they want to find a way out.  I mentioned preachy environmental themed films.  In contrast, Jetsons: The Movie (1989) also has an environmental message, but depicts Mr Spaceley as someone not evil, but starting out well-intentioned but blinded by a company milestone.  It gives a message, but doesn't vilify the antagonist.  The same goes for the REAL Lorax book by Dr. Seuss and 1970s 30-minute cartoon adaptation.  The Onceler is still a sympathetic character the audience can relate to, despite being the story's antagonist."

Currently, there is a similar movie, "The Wolves of Wall Street", from the second most overrated director of all time.  It's designed to not just perpetrate this myth, but to preach it and convince people it's true.  Everyone I know who saw it told me the movie is "horrible" (the most common description I heard) and not to waste your money to watch it.  I told them I already made plans not to.

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Man I thought every Hollywood movie was a documentary. I guess I was wrong, thanks for clearing this up.

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I think we of all people should be aware that movies are "fake".

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I have a massive problem with what you just posted. Please do not feel you can talk down to members of this site just because you're older than them.

Yes, Hollywood is false. To an extent I'd say there's no smoke without fire, and there are large multi-national corporations that do conduct business unjustly, but Hollywood does blow things out of proportion. We know this. My 10 year old cousin knows this. My 4 year old godbrother probably knows this. And above all, LEGO knows this.

I'm not going to rant, and I'm not going to come back to this thread to see if you reply, because I don't care. I'm just going to ask you a few questions.

Do you buy Coca-Cola? If yes, have you seen what they do in India?

Do you buy from Nestle? If yes, do you agree with their powder milk sales in third world countries?

Do you buy products from Nike, Adidas, Pepsi, Kraft, Amazon etc etc?

The stereotypes may be out of proportion, but there's no smoke without fire.

Think before you post. Don't talk down to BiM members.

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I agree with everything that has been said so far. Large corporation are made out of groups of people. Thus they are just as prone to being "evil" as people.

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Really though, this is just making something out of nothing. It's a kids' movie the villains are of course going to be exaggerations of real-life typed of people. We're not making thought-provoking, philosophical films for kids to think over, we're making a good time.

Something which astounds me, especially considering you noted it in your second paragraph was how the company making this film is indeed... a business. It's not like this is some underground force working to take out capitalism, this is a large company being able to make fun of themselves. The villain is a perfect fit for a movie wherein the characters realise that they are indeed little plastic toys.

This is like complaining that the villain in Toy Story 2 is offensive, saying that it portrays all Toy Store owners as money-craving thieves. Really, the question is who cares? People aren't going to be turning kids' movies into the next Spec Ops The Line, with questions about the morality of the protagonists and the true nature of a villain.

But what annoys me most about this post is as Jampot said, is the way you're talking down to people on this site as if you're preaching to us all, saying that a movie is worth boycotting simply because of a silly antagonist and at the same time promoting your own work as the shining example of morality and characterisation in modern filmmaking. I've noticed that you tend to do this a lot, and it just comes off as narcissistic in nature and can be very off-putting.

I guess what I find beautifully ironic about this post is that you bring up how bad it is that films are so preachy in the way that they tell our children the rights and wrongs of life, when you're doing exactly the same, in fact, you do both of those things literally within a sentence of each other. Heck, you don't even have to stay in the realm of films, you have to splice in a little bit of your own views to preach to the audiences of BiM.

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Even a drug dealer or Planned Parenthood employee has a reason they got to poisoning kids minds or killing babies for profit.  They didn't just start out evil.  Maybe they want to find a way out.

If we didn't have the language restrictions on this site, I could say so eloquently what I feel like saying right now, but I guess I'll just have to let it slip.


In conclusion, who cares. It's a kids' film with a silly villain and if you're genuinely offended then you really probably haven't seen much of the world. Saying how films shouldn't preach ethics while you preach ethics isn't very effective.

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I think you're making a huge problem out of this, I think it's fairly obvious films aren't real and kids nowadays are savvy enough not to believe everything on the big screen, and if they don't then the parents aren't raising their children to ask enough questions.

military people are triggerhappy, Christians are backwards and repressive, people who live in the Heartland are dumb (and backwards (and repressive)) homosexuals are artsy & love showtunes (never undered the showtunes stereotype at all), Jews are thrifty/ greedy, police are corrupt.

I think this especially is jumping to a way bigger level then where you started; you're now making a claim at all films, not just this LEGO one. If you really believe all that then you're watching some very narrow minded films and you really need to branch out a bit.

Here is an except from a section on character design and development, in the chapter on writing a comedy series in my guide, "The Holding Our Own Guide to Brickfilming"

This just seems narcissistic. I mean you've gone from slating hollywood to using your own 'Guide' as an example that people should follow by. I mean, if films didn't partially run on stereotypes and stuff then they wouldn't be half as entertaining, and that's what films are meant to do: entertain.

I hate Happy Feet. I hate Avatar(ted). (The fact that James Cameron is incapable of giving any of his characters depth in any of his movies doesn't help.)  I hate the motion picture corruption of The Lorax.  I hate the 2011 Muppets movie

If you're going down that route I'm sure you could go much further. I'd love to name some films you enjoy and see if they're completely unstereotyped. Even within Christian culture there are stereotypes, even look at Jesus. They almost always depict him as white, when he would be very dark skinned coming from where he did. You even have stereotypes for God as a white figure who we don't have the foggiest what form he might be..?

In “Holding Our Own”, the parents' political leanings are much closer to mine, and Johnny is far from it.  Yet, Johnny is intellectually equal to Brent, probably considerably smarter.  He's sharp witted, funny, and often zings his verbal opponents.

Obviously your own films are going to be tailored to what you feel about films and characters. You're also once again using your own films as examples here, instead of using others. I just can't take this seriously with some of the arguments you've made here.

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Movies are not real. They are meant to be entertainment. The lego movie was made because the fans wanted a movie for years. holding our own, I have nothing by respect for you, but don't talk down to us.we know that most movies play on many stereotypes.

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comparing stereotypes about sexual and racial minorities to stereotypes about the business world is kinda problematic, holdingourown. the stereotypes (of sexual and racial minorities) you mentioned are horrible and i personally advocate against them, but you're getting riled up about extremely silly harmless jokes about some of the most privileged people in the world  (who clearly arent affected by such jokes and won't be going anywhere anytime soon).

it's completely a joke. lego and warner bros are both large corporations , peter lord and christopher miller both work for large corporations all the time. the way it's portrayed is so silly and ridiculous that the fact that you're taking it seriously worries me

quoting your own article doesn't help your argument, just comes across as big headed

i hope you realize that most of the evil business villains you mentioned are satirical

this is ridiculous

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The suggestion that a LEGO movie could be anti big-business is eviscerated by the fact that it's a LEGO movie and LEGO is the #2 toymaker in the world.

A movie where a man is the villain is not anti-men, especially when it's made mostly by men.

Some businessmen are good, some businessmen are bad. For every Bill Gates, there's a Bernie Madoff. Telling a story with a villain like the latter doesn't make a story anti-business. Not that The LEGO Movie is doing that. It's clearly not taking itself nearly that seriously. Instead, Will Ferrell is playing "Lord Business," and he looks like this:

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I think that I should say something, I'm just not sure what.

If you feel that boycotting the movie is what you should do, then you certainly have that right.
While the "Evil Tycoon" stereotype may be a bit annoying at times, it's a personal choice on if you will watch something with that or not. I, for one, will probably watch this film once it hits instant video. But that doesn't mean you have to. Some stereotypes annoy me more than others, but a few are also quite fun. (See Americans in Doctor Who, especially The Impossible Astronaut/Day of the Moon.)

Went you jump to other stereotypes, I feel that you may be treading shark-infested waters that may not be as relevant to this topic. (Watch/Not Watch Lego movie) That opens a large can of worms that generally disintegrates into a locked and very off-topic thread. Or here it does at least.

Also be aware that we haven't seen the movie yet, and don't know if there are any twists or reveals that change how Lord Business thinks or acts. Plus, his person could be used for satire, or irony, or to get a special point across. He's obviously there for humor, and very over-the-top, so that affects how people perceive him. Things like "Evil-business dude" aren't always meant to reinforce what they are at face-value. Some are, but not all. I'm thinking Lord Business isn't supposed to lead kids down the wrong path. I think he's just supposed to be a funny villain with a lot of power.

I can understand your disgust at some stereotypes, you are more than welcome to hold that opinion. And the fact that you are creating shorts that counter those things shows your dedication and resolve. Just know that others may not agree with you, and that such things are very firmly established in Hollywood films and probably won't ever leave.

I certainly get that you're trying to prove a point by posting the excerpt from your guide, but recommend your getting another source for such things. Referencing a book, written by yourself, to back up your own opinion isn't a great strategy. And with all the media and cinema made in the last hundred years, and the thousands of people involved in the industry, grabbing somebody else's quote would have been both easy, and far more helpful and less easily attacked.

I'm certainly not trying to attack you, and respect your choice. I'm just saying that if you wish to defend your choice, try to do so in a manner that is a bit more formal and more fact-driven than emotion-driven. We don't share your views, so logically show us people that have your views and then tells us why.

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Quite frankly,

I think evil is a very strong word. I would say, however, this movie (or at least the trailer) shows some of LEGO's political opinions. I don't want to talk about which political stances are right and which are wrong, but I want to point out the ones LEGO is incorporating into this film.

"Emmet is an average guy". Note that he is a construction worker (low class job) and he is oblivious to the big picture.

In the trailers "Wild style" is portrayed as a rebellious teenager who breaks the law to stop evil. At the end of the first trailer she is even seen sneaking into a restricted area.

"The swat bots"....wait a minute, why are the policemen evil? I thought policemen were supposed to be the good guys...

"President Business" is a rich, tyrannical, pure evil, OWNER OF AN OIL COMPANY. In one trailer he says "Hello my name is President Business, I own the Octan company and the world". I am pretty sure this is implying that rich people who own a business and make more money then lower class people are evil and taking advantage. Also note that in "Cars 2" and "The Muppets Movie" the evil villains are evil owners of evil oil companies. Like I stated above, evil is a strong word.

Here is the description for the "Lord Business' Evil Lair" set:

"Bwahahahaha! Welcome to Lord Business’ Evil Lair! Record his broadcasts in the TV studio and plot how to control the world from the office. Lever open the large door and unleash the Kragle. Trap the Master Builders in the think tank to extract their creativity. "

My guess for the end of the film judging by the sets: Emmet convinces all the all the normal minfigures to find their creativity which "Lord Business" has been robbing them of. They defeat him with it and everyone is lives in a perfect little plastic, brick built, socialist world (Once again, if you are a supporter of socialism then whatever floats your boat, just saying).


I am not trying to start political battles here, I am merely stating that these are political opinions (whether they are right or wrong is up to you and doesn't need to be discussed here)  are showing up in the plot for the LEGO movie.

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I sense a large amount of butt hurt up in here.

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I sense a large amount of butt hurt up in here.

Actually that's because I sat on a cheese grater.

EDIT: Also, to avoid getting this post remove for being "Silly" I would like to mention what flyingminifig said. Yes, movies are fake, but they are also used to deliver a message to the viewer. Some movies tell you to never give up, some tell you to do something with you life because you are only here for a short time, and some movies give you political opinions.

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PushOverProductions wrote:
CarrollFilms wrote:

I sense a large amount of butt hurt up in here.

Actually that's because I sat on a cheese grater.

Are you going to eat that? *points at your remains*

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what began as an intelligent discussion slowly dwindles to a hault as soon as sean "squeezle" carroll walks into the room. everyone slowly begins to deteriorate at the sound of his voice. run while you still can, we yell to any onlookers from the outside

flee

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what began as an intelligent discussion slowly dwindles to a hault as soon as sean "squeezle" carroll walks into the room. everyone slowly begins to deteriorate at the sound of his voice. run while you still can, we yell to any onlookers from the outside

flee

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"haha, i sense butthurt!! lol!" sean "squeezle" carroll proclaims as he rides in on his skateboard wearing sunglasses and a twisted back baseball cap eating nachos he got from 7-11.

"u mad, bro?!" he happily mumbles out of his cheese and tortilla chip infested mouth

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Just Kidden wrote:

"haha, i sense butthurt!! lol!" sean "squeezle" carroll proclaims as he rides in on his skateboard wearing sunglasses and a twisted back baseball cap eating nachos he got from 7-11.

"u mad, bro?!" he happily mumbles out of his cheese and tortilla chip infested mouth

It's what's in style brah. If you don't like it you can just blippity bopitty poo yuck yuck partner.

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