Re: Why I won't be watching Lego Movie

HoldingOurOwn wrote:

In contrast, Jetsons: The Movie...depicts Mr Spaceley as someone not evil, but starting out well-intentioned but blinded by a company milestone.  It gives a message, but doesn't vilify the antagonist.

I think Scrooge came to mind when I read this. He means well, but his work just gets in the way.

Anyways, I think I can agree with most of this. On the subject of stereotypes, you yourself are from New Jersey, right? Don't you ever get tired of Jersey Shore's fake, overly-stereotypical "Joi-say" accents? I know I do. I'm from Union County myself, and I (nor anyone else I knew living there) don't talk like this. There might be a select few who speak like this, but if that really is so, they must live farther "noith".

Hollywood is indeed very fake, and I'm tired of their excessive stereotype usage. But, they will continue making many attempts to implant these stereotypes into the minds of their audiences. I have many reasons for dreading the release of TEH BLOK MUVEE, but this is one reason that I didn't really think about.

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While I do think that the evil corporate CEO stereotype is overused, I'm going to reserve judgment until the movie actually comes out and I see reviews of it and possibly see it.

Pushover: I agree that certain views show up in the Lego movie, but some of the things you mentioned are pretty standard tropes. Rebellious teenagers are common everywhere, and its true in real life as well (College students are the most likely group of people to protest in any given place, because they're usually more educated about what's going on and aren't s concerned about their own life then other people), so I don't necessarily think the things you point out are necessarily reflecting a political viewpoint.

While Octan does sell oil in the LEGO universe, it seems to be more than that in the Lego movie. There is an Octan logo on the Trash Chomper set, and in Lord Business's Lair there's a giant glue gun, something I find a nifty touch as that's not how legos work.

In any case, all this is speculation and I personally think people should wait until the film comes out to judge it.

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Willco66 wrote:

While Octan does sell oil in the LEGO universe, it seems to be more than that in the Lego movie. There is an Octan logo on the Trash Chomper set, and in Lord Business's Lair there's a giant glue gun, something I find a nifty touch as that's not how legos work.

I think that implies that he owns everything.

Also, I am not saying LEGO is the only one to use these stereotypes, but they definitely bear resemblance to politics subjects.

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Lets not forget this is a MOVIE, made with LEGO and was targeted for the audience of LEGO USERS.

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This would be great as a fake editorial on The Onion.

The fact that it isn't and you sound so genuine about this is a little troubling.

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The amount of stupidity perspiring from your post has likely destroyed some of my cognitive function.

Nevertheless, sure, you can privately hold your own opinions, skewed or not, but could you please refrain from smearing your patronising, narcissistic, hypocritical shiitake around in a highly unnecessary attempt to counter a situation, that in reality, is a complete nonissue?

HoldingOurOwn wrote:

Even a drug dealer or Planned Parenthood employee has a reason they got to poisoning kids minds or killing babies for profit.

Jog on.

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Carousel wrote:

Nevertheless, sure, you can privately hold your own skewed opinions, but could you please refrain from smearing your patronising, narcissistic, hypocritical crap around in a ignorant & futile attempt to counter a situation, that in reality, is a complete nonissue?

Correct me if I am wrong, but does he not have just as much right to express his opinions as you do?

I do, however, think that this website is better used for brickfilming purposes then political ones. Its hard to work with and give/receive critique from people if you get in a political firefight with them. This was probably a topic best not brought up, regardless of it being LEGO-related.

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To HoldingOurOwn: I don't really have anything to say that hasn't been said before.

To everyone else: I think pretty much all that can be said has been said, and that a few of you are bordering on places that we shouldn't go. Using words like "conservative" or "liberal" is teetering on a political argument that nobody wants to be a part of.

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I've edited it in order to not cause 'distress' to some, but what specifically HoldingOurOwn said really fricking annoyed me.

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HoldingOurOwn wrote:

My message is especially for the young (teen) brickfilmers.  Please know that Hollywood is FAKE, movies are not real life, and they have tendecies to perpetrate myths that businesses are evil.

Do you really think that anybody over the age of 2, believes that Hollywood movies are real... Also, this is a kids movie. It is not to be taken seriously.

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#LookAtThisGuy lol

I can never take you seriously ever again.

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PushOverProductions wrote:
Carousel wrote:

Nevertheless, sure, you can privately hold your own skewed opinions, but could you please refrain from smearing your patronising, narcissistic, hypocritical crap around in a ignorant & futile attempt to counter a situation, that in reality, is a complete nonissue?

Correct me if I am wrong, but does he not have just as much right to express his opinions as you do?.

The difference is is that Carousel isn't going making a big long thread about it and using his own films as an example of what good filmmaking is.

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Onion wrote:
PushOverProductions wrote:
Carousel wrote:

Nevertheless, sure, you can privately hold your own skewed opinions, but could you please refrain from smearing your patronising, narcissistic, hypocritical crap around in a ignorant & futile attempt to counter a situation, that in reality, is a complete nonissue?

Correct me if I am wrong, but does he not have just as much right to express his opinions as you do?.

The difference is is that Carousel isn't going making a big long thread about it and using his own films as an example of what good filmmaking is.

Largely, yes. Yet I'm not saying HoldingOurOwn cannot have an opinion, I'm merely saying he needs not splatter the vicinity with unnecessary/silly chatter on a groundless and petty topic.

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I think you guys killed him with knowledge

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Onion wrote:
PushOverProductions wrote:
Carousel wrote:

Nevertheless, sure, you can privately hold your own skewed opinions, but could you please refrain from smearing your patronising, narcissistic, hypocritical crap around in a ignorant & futile attempt to counter a situation, that in reality, is a complete nonissue?

Correct me if I am wrong, but does he not have just as much right to express his opinions as you do?.

The difference is is that Carousel isn't going making a big long thread about it and using his own films as an example of what good filmmaking is.

Yes. Once again, this thread seems like more of a rant which would accomplish nothing, (not like most threads in the general film discussion are meant to accomplish something either) then a "share-your-opinion" thread. I think it would be better suited on a different forum website.

.....I really need to stop posting here and go make a film.

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@HoldingOurOwn: You and your opinion are very silly.

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Sean wrote:

You and your opinion are very silly.

(Insert sad face)

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TL;DR

But seriously...it's a movie, nothing more.

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I think the direction this thread is traveling in isn't good. It's erupted from a mature discussion thread into a thread designed for forum members flaming each other's beliefs and opinions. If this isn't going to be a constructive thread, and things don't change soon, I'm seriously suggesting that this thread be discontinued.

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PushOverProductions wrote:

EDIT: Also, to avoid getting this post remove for being "Silly" I would like to mention what flyingminifig said. Yes, movies are fake, but they are also used to deliver a message to the viewer. Some movies tell you to never give up, some tell you to do something with you life because you are only here for a short time, and some movies give you political opinions.

I was just pointing out that it seemed rather superfluous to tell everyone that movies are fake, on a forum dedicated to film-making.

Anyway it seems to me that people are seeing ghosts where there are none.  I get what you're saying PushOver, but I think the fact that Emmet is a construction worker has more to do with the fact that LEGO is all about construction (har har har) than anything about "ordinary everyman blue-collar worker fighting against big nasty evil profiteering corporation".  Also, I would say that, if anything, the message is about individualism rather than socialism--it's all about throwing away the instructions and creating your own world, or at least that's the feeling I've gotten from the trailers.  As Jstudios said, this movie is meant to be fun for kids, not have some deep underlying meaning. 

Also, for every stereotype there is often a stereotype that is the opposite, e.g. "military soldiers are trigger-happy"/"military soldiers are heroes who are prepared to sacrifice their lives for their country".  And every stereotype must have some sort of kernel of truth to it, otherwise how would it become a stereotype in the first place?  Not only that, but certain stereotypes can be extremely funny if used correctly precisely because they're so over-the-top.  A large percentage of comedy works by using stereotypes.

The fact of the matter is that humanity is far too vast and complex to be boiled down to a few simple cookie-cutter stereotypes; humanity cannot simply be pigeon-holed into an "all ____ are ____" system, and anyone who believes otherwise is either gullible/deluded/an idiot.  Point being that even with fundamentally different beliefs it is still possible to agree on potentially touchy subjects by sharing each other's perspective.  The bottom line is that talking down to people, acting like you know it all, and forcing your opinions on others is the #1 way to create conflict.

So please, can we please just express our opinions nicely without getting all preachy, and start discussing film-making?

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