Re: Does the community like Forrestfire101?

MindGame wrote:

If someone is hopping up and down yelling "SHOOT! GOSH DARN IT ALL!" then no one is going to take your anger seriously. But if you hear someone shouting the f-word over and over, then you know that something's up with them.

But does that mean it's the most appropriate thing to do necessarily? No. There are a lot more ways to convey emotion than just implementing it with profanity.

EDIT: I entirely agree with ANP and Pritchard about the whole matter.

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This is pretty off topic, but most people writing on this thread agree it shouldn't exist so it doesn't matter if I go off topic that much, does it? Anyways, that vid was pretty hilarious, although I prefer Bill Cosby in this video. He's great.
I guess it wasn't that much off topic.

About FF101, I don't have any particular loathing for him, he's never done anything to me, so why should I, although I agree with most of what has been said here, mostly what I don't like about the one film of his I've seen was the actual, real life destruction of minifigures, where he makes holes in them, I find that absolutely unnecessary. Poor minifigures mini/sad, I think children like him must be their worst fear. I know they would be mine if I were one. But as I said, I don't really care about him, so I just don't watch his videos and instead watch Brickfilms of quality. In fact, I wouldn't have posted here were it not for ANP's great link mini/yes

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Anteater wrote:

But does that mean it's the most appropriate thing to do necessarily? No. There are a lot more ways to convey emotion than just implementing it with profanity.

Well appropriateness and offence are entirely subjective. I personally have no issue with profanity, I happily use it myself. Nothing wrong with him using it, if you don't like don't watch.

Starting to feel like this topic should be locked or just changed into one of BIM's Profanity debate threads, I think we've been overdue one. They're BIM's versions of volcanoes.

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Personally, I don't like him. Sure, his videos are good. Much better than mine and some other members of BiM. His videos have also improved significantly recently. However, regardless of the quality of his work, his arrogance is the base of my negative perspective. Of course his skill-superior attitude isn't directly indicated. Rather, it is implicit. On numerous occasions I have seen his malevolent comments on 'unexperienced' brickfilmer's videos. Not only are these detrimental to the creator's self-esteem, but they display his extreme arrogance.

I should stop before this turns into one of my history essays. But ultimately, I don't like him.

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Mindgame, though I'm not entirely happy with it, I must admit, you do have a very good point there.

As do you, Pritchard.

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Good point all of you. :L

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Troodon wrote:

Let us all talk about how much we hate Soviets instead! mini/smile

But, almost everyone in my family that is still alive were born in the USSR. What is the point of making fun of a country that experienced more bloodshed than the holocaust?

Sorry, I was satiring the community's hatred for FF101. I was comparing it to the Red Scare. Amuricans back in the cold war mindlessly hated anything to do with Russia or anything to do with what was going on over there, and while it was indeed a terrible regime, I doubt many actually knew why they were supposed to hate the other side. THat was sarcasm.

Also, on the point of profanity. I don't curse in real life or in my brickfilms, and don't plan on it, but occasionally profanity can make for a very well developed character. Definitely NOT the way our friend here uses it, but I wouldn't go so far as to say that it's completely useless in cinematography.

I really like the turn this conversation has taken because we aren't bullying someone anymore, but having a thoughtful discussion on the use of naughty words in lego movies. But that's been done before. http://www.bricksinmotion.com/forums/to … -to-curse/

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I find his films inane, vulgar, excessively violent, disgusting, and pointless.  Aside from the profanity and excessive, senseless violence, which I personally find repulsive, the plots of his films display the intelligence and maturity of a five-year-old (and that is quite possibly an insult to some five-year-olds). 

There are only so many ways that one can, for example, express extreme rage. If someone is hopping up and down yelling "SHOOT! GOSH DARN IT ALL!" then no one is going to take your anger seriously. But if you hear someone shouting the f-word over and over, then you know that something's up with them. I think it's the taboo nature of the words themselves that express a certain kind of feeling, more than most other non-profane words can do.

 

I see your point, but if you use swear words over and over again--particularly when it really isn't necessary--it, like everything else, loses its freshness and potency.  The viewer becomes, for want of a better word, jaded; also, not only is it at this point overused and annoying, but also insulting and profane (to some, at least).  Therefore, it defeats  its own purpose.  The same goes for excessive violence.  In ForrestFire's films, not only is the violence excessively gory, it's also largely senseless, which I find distasteful.  I can understand it if it's an essential part of the plot or film, but if it isn't, it again becomes overused and offensive.

I, for my part, dislike bad language, and don't use it. 

I dislike FF for two reasons; firstly, because, as I've mentioned before, I think his films are obnoxious; and secondly, because LEGO is a child-friendly company, and FF's films are hardly that.  He gives LEGO, and, to a certain extent, Brickfilmers a bad name.  Not only that, but but so many of his adherents try to copy him and be "cool" that they flood YouTube (and elsewhere) with low-quality, high-profanity-content films.

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I find his films inane, vulgar, excessively violent, disgusting, and pointless.  Aside from the profanity and excessive, senseless violence, which I personally find repulsive, the plots of his films display the intelligence and maturity of a five-year-old (and that is quite possibly an insult to some five-year-olds). 

There are only so many ways that one can, for example, express extreme rage. If someone is hopping up and down yelling "SHOOT! GOSH DARN IT ALL!" then no one is going to take your anger seriously. But if you hear someone shouting the f-word over and over, then you know that something's up with them. I think it's the taboo nature of the words themselves that express a certain kind of feeling, more than most other non-profane words can do.

 

I see your point, but if you use swear words over and over again--particularly when it really isn't necessary--it, like everything else, loses its freshness and potency.  The viewer becomes, for want of a better word, jaded; also, not only is it at this point overused and annoying, but also insulting and profane (to some, at least).  Therefore, it defeats  its own purpose.  The same goes for excessive violence.  In ForrestFire's films, not only is the violence excessively gory, it's also largely senseless, which I find distasteful.  I can understand it if it's an essential part of the plot or film, but if it isn't, it again becomes overused and offensive.

I, for my part, dislike bad language, and don't use it. 

I dislike FF for two reasons; firstly, because, as I've mentioned before, I think his films are obnoxious; and secondly, because LEGO is a child-friendly company, and FF's films are hardly that.  He gives LEGO, and, to a certain extent, Brickfilmers a bad name.  Not only that, but but so many of his adherents try to copy him and be "cool" that they flood YouTube (and elsewhere) with low-quality, high-profanity-content films.

*weeps* I couldn't have said it better.

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Sméagol wrote:

He's only ever been nice to me. I don't get a lot of enjoyment out of his humor and general choices of source material, but he's gotten better and better technically. I think he's more talented than a majority of members here, including most people who complain about how much he sucks or whatever.

I agree with this, as I can safely say that the same is true for me - I've messaged him a couple of times (I can't remember what about) and, like Smeagol said, he's only ever been nice in response. He seems to be a decent guy. And though I don't agree with most of his content, I still end up watching it because they're actually quite well put together these days. He's come a long way in the last few years.

That said, I did enjoy Zombie Universe. Not sure why, but it made me smile. One of those guilty pleasures, I guess.

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I'll try to make this as simple as I can get it because I usually end up writing a huge novel on these posts. 

FF101, obviously a good brickfilmer.  He can animate, edit and knows how to attract an audience.  The problem is when his fans want to be like him.  This has thrown Brickfilming into a giant war over "what a real film is and what isn't".  Personally I watched one or two of his films, and I was never impressed by the content.  People like Fancypants, Smeagol, JustKidden - Who in their own ways made good original brickfilming should be on par with FF101.

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Seems like I haven't touched on this yet, i'll try to make it short.

FF101 is... pretty much the brickfilming equivalent to James Cameron and George Lucas, 2 very praised filmmakers that get's all the money/views. George Lucas' products and Star Wars prequels are just cashgrabs alot like how Forrest's videos are his own kind of cashgrabs because they are SO horribly written, no I am not overacting about this, every single movie he's put out (atleast the Batman ones) are almost exactly the same or atleast follows the exact structure which sometimes is okay if you do it in a clever way but it's just flat out rip off of himself and he's been doing that for over 4 years, SERIOUSLY watch 2 of his Batman videos that are like 3-10 minutes long (just choose 2 randomly) and i'll promise you they will be exactly the same.
The jokes sometimes works for me but most of the time it's Adam Sandler type of jokes, it's funny cause Robin's gay! It's funny cause the dog humps people (Yes i've seen all of his videos)!
and by seeing all of his videos I mean all the pre-2012 videos cause he blocked me on YouTube and Twitter lol.
I have alot more to say about his videos and him as a brickfilmer but i'll stop here and maybe come back later.

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Wrong. Forrest is a negative role model to many people out there. They think that if they make 5 FPS LEGO Batman videos, their in the "cool zone". All Forrest wants to do is make his lame films. He doesn't care if his audience likes it or not, all he wants is the fame.

What do you know about what he wants? I think some of you are taking all this situation way too seriously.

I agree with MindGame that sometimes bad words are the best way to express strong emotions, and I definitely disagree with some of you saying that FF gives brickfilming and lego a bad name.
He's not the only famous brickfilmer and his fans know that: those kids like his films because that's the kind of video they were looking for, they want "immature" content, and if FF stops doing that, they'll find someone else. That doesn't mean the think LEGO is about people cursing all the time, it means that lego can be used any way you want.

On the "LEGO is a kid's toy" argument, I personally think that Lego it's a toy, not just for kids.

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Meh, I've watched a few of his videos in the past, since the last year or so, the movies are flooded with gore, language and what, but some people here may like him and others not, the thing is I don't know him well enough to say that yet, only that his videos have a bit too much gore and language, Tis' all.

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I think that I would consider Forrest to be more like Michael Bay because of the sheer amount of visual effects he relies on. George Lucas is more like he has these complex plots all mapped out in his brain and then nobody tells him that it's a bad idea because he's George Lucas. Other than that I agree with y'all.
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I'm pretty sure he gave up caring about his BiM popularity a while ago.

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The #1 reason why I don't like him is not because of how NSFW his content is, but rather because people think he's some sort of god.
I went on MindGame's channel to watch "The Profession", and almost all I saw in the comments were people replying to Forrest's comment, and not even caring about Zach. Same thing with Filmiguy. If brickfilming really was a religion, it would be the people that somehow made a positive mark on the history of brickfilming that would be the gods. Forrest has never come close to doing that.

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Yeah, Forrest hadn't really made a positive contribution towards Brickfilming apart from getting more people to know what it is. That's why I built the church of MindGame instead, you guys should all come. The services aren't boring...I swear...seriously..

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I don't accept MindGame as my lord and savior.

Max Butcher is the one true brickfilming god.

May Max Butcher have mercy on your soul for thinking otherwise.

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This is blasphemous! The great prophet Smeagol will feed you to the Demon Lord Lucas for such treachery.
...This has gotten kinda of topic, we should just close this thread.

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