Topic: Trailer - The Costello Crew Opening Scene EXTENDED HD

The Costello Crew Opening Scene EXTENDED HD

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An extended version of the original opening scene, it was meant to be longer but I didn't really get a chance to finish it off due to other things.

VIEWER DISCRETION IS ADVISED, MODERATE COURSE LANGUAGE.

If you do not like course language or talk of narcotics please do not watch this, everything said in this movie is to do with the films story itself, so it was necissarry for everything said and used. If you do not like this, please do not watch it.

Besides that please do enjoy the film, it is very enjoyable and the words are not as bad as it may sound, its just as I said before, people like over exaggerate.

Please leave some feedback below, the added scene's voice may sound different originally however it's not a big difference or that bad, its just having done all voices it can be difficult to adjust.

But it should not be a problem, enjoy the movie!

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Could I get some reviews?

Come on guys.

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It's too static. It's not "course", it's "coarse". It's too wordy. Sorry to be so negative, but there's very little difference between this animation and a typed sheet of paper.

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I take back what I said to you, jahnocli I have a better understanding of what you what you meant, after your second reply, it's just the first time you said it, it sounded so offensive, even though it may be criticism, and I didn't realize you were the one who told me the tip last time, so my apologies, thank you for your comment, and sorry for any offense, I meant none.


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No. It's not "course language" - that doesn't make sense. And "static" doesn't have anything to do with the audio -- it's just the opposite of "dynamic". In an earlier critique, I asked if you have ever heard of "show, don't tell". What this refers to is trying to avoid having a minifig plonked in front of the camera and telling the viewer the plot. You're just handing out information; that's why I compared it to a piece of paper. It isn't very interesting. Instead, you could be showing, through action, what you mean. That is a lot more interesting.

The picture quality is good. The sound quality is good. Everything else needs a lot of work. In my humble opinion. And you did ask for people's opinions -- if you are easily offended, then don't ask.

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I have still that opinion that you shouldn't set the FPS so low when minifigures are talking in your videos, why do you do that? It looks much better if you just take more pictures and leave the FPS to 15. And the set, still pretty low number of details.

And my general opinion: when people animate, they do too much this thing: when minifigure talks, its hands do whole time something, up 'n' down or something else. Do real people do that so much? No. In real life people could do something with their hands, example if they're explaining something that is hard to explain, then they could help talking with their hands.

^^ But I have seen too many brickfilms where minifigures are doing something with their hands all the damn time!
Yeah. There is my general opinion. mini/smile

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I finally got to watch.  The frame rate is low.  Maybe a bit more back & forth between the characters would make the dialogue, which is actually well-written, to be more dynamic.

People are always going to get criticism for their work but it's usually well-intentioned.  Now you will have a few who are all negative, but it's nothing to take personally.

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silmänkääntäjä wrote:

I have still that opinion that you shouldn't set the FPS so low when minifigures are talking in your videos, why do you do that? It looks much better if you just take more pictures and leave the FPS to 15. And the set, still pretty low number of details.

And my general opinion: when people animate, they do too much this thing: when minifigure talks, its hands do whole time something, up 'n' down or something else. Do real people do that so much? No. In real life people could do something with their hands, example if they're explaining something that is hard to explain, then they could help talking with their hands.

^^ But I have seen too many brickfilms where minifigures are doing something with their hands all the damn time!
Yeah. There is my general opinion. mini/smile

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silmänkääntäjä wrote:

And my general opinion: when people animate, they do too much this thing: when minifigure talks, its hands do whole time something, up 'n' down or something else. Do real people do that so much? No. In real life people could do something with their hands, example if they're explaining something that is hard to explain, then they could help talking with their hands.

Well, I'm Italian, so people I talk with often DO move their hands ALL THE TIME.
That aside, when I animate "Holding Our Own", I make the characters move their hands on accented words.  And since Lego animation is NOT real life, sometimes a bit more of that than real life breaks up the monotony of static imaging.

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hey thanks for your reply and review, once again silmänkääntäjä
I do agree with you point of what you talked about last time, I'll speed it up for you the hand movement when there talking in my next film, however if I did for example even easing and out doing small increments with the hand movement then playing it at 15fps, it would still go relatively to fast, so it wouldn't be technically possible without extending frames.

And my general opinion: when people animate, they do too much this thing: when minifigure talks, its hands do whole time something, up 'n' down or something else. Do real people do that so much? No. In real life people could do something with their hands, example if they're explaining something that is hard to explain, then they could help talking with their hands.

unless people are doing lip syncing, or mouth movements, if you don't do hand movements, the film is going to look very unrealistic, especially if theres only head movements.

Hey holdingourown, Finally you got watch it! YES! haha, no I understand what you mean, it wasnt the frame rate, it was the frames being extended possibly to long, I'll work on that next time, I'm glad you liked the dialog, its good to know!
Thanks again for your reply.


Well, I'm Italian, so people I talk with often DO move their hands ALL THE TIME.
That aside, when I animate "Holding Our Own", I make the characters move their hands on accented words.  And since Lego animation is NOT real life, sometimes a bit more of that than real life breaks up the monotony of static imaging.

This ^ +1

That what holdingourown said is a very good point, Italians, and europeans in general do use there hands a majority of there time, is how they express what there talking about, I do it all the time as well, I didn't know you were Italian though, haha.

And since Lego animation is NOT real life

Especially this, as they have no emotion in there face, to tell whether they may be upset, emotional, angry distraugh, sure you got faces, but when the mood does change how can you tell? Unless you are lip syncing, or mouth editing to make mouth movements, so that's why people use hand movements for expressing there words.

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No. It's not "course language" - that doesn't make sense. And "static" doesn't have anything to do with the audio -- it's just the opposite of "dynamic". In an earlier critique, I asked if you have ever heard of "show, don't tell". What this refers to is trying to avoid having a minifig plonked in front of the camera and telling the viewer the plot. You're just handing out information; that's why I compared it to a piece of paper. It isn't very interesting. Instead, you could be showing, through action, what you mean. That is a lot more interesting.

The picture quality is good. The sound quality is good. Everything else needs a lot of work. In my humble opinion. And you did ask for people's opinions -- if you are easily offended, then don't ask.

Firstly, I apologise as stated above, I have edited what I though was offensive, but as said, your second comment clarified otherwise.

The reason for the minifig, seemingly explaining the whole plot, was as a film opening, there are alot of films, they do movies in reverse, as showing the ending as the beginning then showing you halfway how it all happened, reverse filming if you will.
Alot of mafia movies, start with openings, some without action some just dialog, sorry you did not find it interesting, I understand it would be better put into action, but when in action, action at times does not speak as words do.
But I will work on that next time, so thanks.

thank you for some positive feedback, it does mean alot to the film creator, and in future I would still like feedback and reviews from you, sorry for any misunderstandings and thanks again for your reply.


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No offence taken -- it was meant as positive criticism, although obviously written stuff can seem blunt without any context. Good luck with your future animations.

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And since Lego animation is NOT real life, sometimes a bit more of that than real life breaks up the monotony of static imaging.

Always when I animate I try to make it much realistic as I can. I don't mean that I don't do fantasy and sci-fi because they're fiction but like minifigures in a city (for example), they're like humans there. I don't like stories that tells like how LEGOs really are, I mean for example if minifigure is in a car crash accident and it's deadly for humans, the minifigure dies too... I like and "support" that. But if minifigure just breaks and it's still "alive"... and other minifigures fix it back to "LEGO life"... nah I just don't like that.

(I hope you understand what the heck I'm saying, because I told it very hard mini/lol)

Anyway I'm Finnish and here people won't use hands very much if they're talking, sometimes of course if the things are hard to explain. And I know what kind of people Italians are mini/bigsmile. And I understand. But yeah the thing what I'm saying is just that I like brickfilms that are realistic with the people in films like they're humans in the films, not just LEGO figures, toys...

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@jahnocli Thanks mate I really do appreciate that, please do remember to comment on my new releases if you get a chance.

@silmänkääntäjä Hahaha, I know what you mean man your quite funny, lol.

But if minifigure just breaks and it's still "alive"... and other minifigures fix it back to "LEGO life"... nah I just don't like that.

Personally I have not seen this, but far out would it be funny mini/lol

Thanks for your personal point of view, its a better understanding of what you were previously trying to state.

I did not know you were finnish, haha least finland has kastlevania 4 a lego movie, that can represent your country proudly, a long detailed brickfilm which was well done, its got to mean something.

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That's funny, because I just watch Michael Hitchkox (sp?) LEGO CAR CRASH and the lego crashed and was put back together again and lived.  Now, I know that it's unrealistic, but it IS a cartoon, and what I love about classic cartoons is the anything-goes mentality, especially in the Tex Avery category.  The fact that they are works of art means that their potential is limited to the imagination of the director.

I'd love you to check out the first part of the episode of ep 2 of Holding Our Own, which I just posted.  I try for a realist approach.  I'd like to know your opinion of my style.  But I do like to put an occassional visual gag in (like a character's head spinning 360 degrees) just to remind viewers it IS a cartoon.

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Yea I understand cartoon yah. mini/lol And HoldingOurOwn your style is fine mini/tongue. And yes what I said that really reminded me of Michael Hickox's Car Crash... except I like his videos haha, but otherwise no. Michael is a pro. mini/sunnies

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That's funny, because I just watch Michael Hitchkox (sp?) LEGO CAR CRASH and the lego crashed and was put back together again and lived.

LMAO.. I just watched that, damn I laughed so hard, its probably cause I have never seen this before, even thought its cartoon/animation, I really didn't know people did these things, but you gotta expect the unrealistic, as said above as it is cartoon/animation.

Holdingourown, your attempt to do a realist approach has been successful, you seem to put parody, realism of a family, and animation together really well, good job mini/smile

And yea as silmänkääntäjä Micheal can get away with it, cause he is pro lol.

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