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Yay!  Closing in on the final minute of animation.  This came out longer than I expected, close to 24 minutes.  I've tried to tighten up these scripts best I could, and a subsequent script, episode 4, is one page longer than this one!  Anyway, in the past 2 days I animated a nice chunk of stills equalling about 30 seconds.  Half of it is already processed & animated & the other half is there waiting for me to night.  I'm also announcing the title of the episode: "Diss Jockey" [sic].  I intend to make & post a commercial giving a sneak peek into the story, and when nearly complete, a few commercials promoting the talents of the new regular characters who debut in episode 2.  They are:

-Allana Carnie (AC films) as Chay Tangemann
-Jakunen Neesan as Carleigh Zeitz (Not a BiM member but a great talent.  I don't have her voice talent web site on hand but she can be contacted through    http://1-fallenangel.deviantart.com/   Ask for her web site with terms of requesting her voice talent)
-Robert Moore (Chiro) as Larry

Not to mention that I recommend the excellent core ensemble cast:
-HoldingOurOwn as Brent Schneider
-Brick7 as Angela Schneider
-AnimeNinja as Melissa Schneider
-DarthVincentPrice as Johnny Strange
and my friend, Eric, as Mark Manchester.  I think he doesn't seek to be in other brickfilms.

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Pritchard Studios wrote:

I didn't know you had a kid. And here I was thinking that you were another teenager. mini/lol

Yeah, I know the feeling. (Except I don't have anybody else to blame for loosing the part. mini/tongue)
And yes, there is a Magic Portal. When you're not looking for a part, there are hundreds of them, when you are looking for it, none of them can be found. Having everything sorted would help a lot.

But I'm glad to hear that it all worked out in the end. (For the most part.)


I have not just 1 but 2 kids.  The other was born around the time I joined BiM.  (but maybe I am a teenager!)  Having been both a teenager and a parent, I try to write the stories of HOO on 2 levels; one where the parents are relatable to the adult audience, and one where the teens are relatable to the teen audience.  At the same time, I strive to make the show clean for the whole family, even though the series covers topical issues.  There are after-school scenes in the third segment of episode 2 that I am relaly proud of, because Melissa and Johnny Strange are interacting with a group of peers for the first time, and I think they all worked well together.  Being blessed with a great cast helps, too.  I am aware of the technical issues with my brickfilms, and am working on minimizing them, but I hope that viewers will overlook these and appreciate the quality of the writing, which I work hard to keep to the highest standards.

And we should all watch THE MAGIC PORTAL.  BTW I had my parts sorted by part type but I still couldn't find the 1 I needed.

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Re: Holding Our Own episode 2 production log- UPDATE

Hey!  Took a day off from animation to make the 30 second trailer for Episode 2.  You can see it at
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJXle_BEUj8
It's in the style of those 80s and early 90s TV ads, and only uses clips from the episode.  Hope you enjoy it!

Additional good news: I only have 1 1/2 minutes of a 24 minute feature left to animate.  That makes it 15/16 complete!

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Just finished a scene with several teens walking.  It took a while because at times I displaced a character into a wrong position and had to backtrack my work.  I hope to bang out most of the rest of the animation this weeked.  Once that is complete, it will not take long to complete the entire project.

I'm looking for voice talent for episode 3.  Please check the audio section for the casting call.  I am especially looking for a tenor who can be a Bill Maher impersonator.

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Re: Holding Our Own episode 2 production log- UPDATE

Laid down the melody for a song for episode 4 yesterday.  Have lyrics half-written, but I always find writing lyrics difficult.  My laptop crashed, but all the HOO information was transferred to my laptop b4 the crash.  I am in the process of recovering a near completed script for someone else.  Thankfully, I think the information is safe, but accessing it is the problem.

Animation for everything but 60 seconds from the final scene in ep 2 is complete.  I have some touch-up work to do and about 5 minutes of sound FX to add.  Maybe ep 2 will start to post to YT this week.

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Yay! Brickfilms with songs are always great! mini/smile

Re: Holding Our Own episode 2 production log- UPDATE

HoldingOurOwn wrote:

-Allana Carnie (AC films) as Chay Tangemann
-Jakunen Neesan as Carleigh Zeitz (Not a BiM member but a great talent.  I don't have her voice talent web site on hand but she can be contacted through    http://1-fallenangel.deviantart.com/   Ask for her web site with terms of requesting her voice talent)
-Robert Moore (Chiro) as Larry

Not to mention that I recommend the excellent core ensemble cast:
-HoldingOurOwn as Brent Schneider
-Brick7 as Angela Schneider
-AnimeNinja as Melissa Schneider
-DarthVincentPrice as Johnny Strange
and my friend, Eric, as Mark Manchester.

Who's playing Hector?

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Have you seen a big-chinned boy?

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Hector is being played by Mike Shields, someone who's not in the BiM community.  There is also a secretary played by my wife, Angela.  Neither of them are looking for other voice work.  And I'm doing 3 other voices in the story besides Brent's: Max, Yosatuba & Kaiwoi.

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Working on the final scene with Brent & Melissa.  In comes Angela.  Only about 30 seconds of animation remain.  Now the great news:

God-willing, segment 1 of episode 2 will be posted on Monday.  The entire episode runs about 24 minutes.  Segment 1 is nine minutes long.  I will post the subsequent segments a few days apart.  In the meantime, check back on my page and re-watch episode 1 again to get reaquainted with the characters, or give it a look if it's your first time.  Here's the link to the 4 segments in a playlist:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5SXWzah … cPdyF12su1

See you next week!

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Re: Holding Our Own episode 2 production log- UPDATE

Part 1 of episode 2 is now posted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfrbTxeTghc

keep watching for parts 2, 3, and 4.

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Heyy Michael, I was wondering if you could give me some advice on making this kind of series. Like sort of a sitcom thing.
So I live in a sort of hipster city and I am thinking about writing a series on hipsters. If you've ever seen Portlandia my idea is similar to that, except instead of skits I have a continuous story arc and recurring characters. I have a list of characters I've drafted here
So I was wondering if you think this is a good idea... Like are all my characters strong and are there too many of them? And should I choose the plot to focus on one specific character? My series won't be as faithful to the sitcom genre as yours... well actually mine isn't really going to be a sitcom at all because there is more absurd comedy and satire rather than like situational comedy. But still, advice, if you have any, would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you so much! mini/cat

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Well, let me get a chance to watch Portlandia and I'll reply to you on that.

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Animation of episode 2 is complete... just a little audio editing & touch up work.  Shooting still for Mon to post segment 2 of 4; may take until Tues!

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topitmunkeydog wrote:

Heyy Michael, I was wondering if you could give me some advice on making this kind of series. Like sort of a sitcom thing.
So I live in a sort of hipster city and I am thinking about writing a series on hipsters. If you've ever seen Portlandia my idea is similar to that, except instead of skits I have a continuous story arc and recurring characters. I have a list of characters I've drafted here
So I was wondering if you think this is a good idea... Like are all my characters strong and are there too many of them? And should I choose the plot to focus on one specific character? My series won't be as faithful to the sitcom genre as yours... well actually mine isn't really going to be a sitcom at all because there is more absurd comedy and satire rather than like situational comedy. But still, advice, if you have any, would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you so much! mini/cat

Oh!  I just figured out!  Portlandia isn't a brickfilm of yours.  It's a real series.  And now I have time to write,

so I will.

I cant help much on technical aspects, as most people are smarter than me and more experienced in that area.  When

it comes to animating, I wrote a file called "What I've learned" which I add to whenever I discover something tha
works (or fails epicly.)  It should be somewhere in the PRODUCTION THREAD.  NOw when it comes to writing a comedy
series, I can help there.  Here I'll write my thoughts

1) Comedy is serious business.  Watching THE POSIDEON ADVENTURE with my sister in law, she says, "What's Leslie
Neilson doing in this movie?  How can he play a serious role?"  Aside from him being a Shakespearian actor, watch
Neilson's delivery in any of th eNaked Gun movies.  He's dead serious all the time.  In comedy, the characters are
dead serous about the situations around them.

2) Keep it clean.  That Angus kid from 2 1/2 Men is right: his show is garbage.  Today a comey series can't be made
wihtout pervasive sexual themes.  That's fine for an occassional show, but for so many it's a substitute for humor. 
Actual humor requires much more thought.  Viewers are starved for family friendly content, or something with
supposed shock value in a world where nothing is shocking.  That doesn't mean that you can't write about mature
themes.  But just put a little effort into the quality of the content without dumbinb it down, and 1) the audence
will appreciate it, and 2) you will have something better than half of what's considered TV entertainment.  Yeah. 
I'm not a braggart, but I have little respect for TV today.  (CASE STUDIES: Comedy- 2 1/2 Men; Drama- The Book of Daniel, Gossip Girl)

3) I'm assuming that you are writing a pack comedy.  This is a popular subgenre today.  a Pack comedy revolves
around a "pack" of friends, usually single, and their misadventures.  (CASE STUDY: How I Met Your Mother.)  Pack
comedies aren't too much diferent from domestic comedies (HOlding Our Own is a domestic comedy).  The main
difference is that in a domestic comedy the story usually revolves around parenting issues, but in the pack comedy,
the friends' reltionships are built or strained around conflicts between the main characters.  You have to develop
situations where a character's principles are challenged by teh friendship.  A common example: a charactere swears
to keep a secret about another friend.  The friend is harmed unless he tells the secret to him.  The character is
ptted between telling the secret and betraying the trust, or keeping the secret and allowing the friend to get hurt.
Usually the secret is told, and the episode is spent with the main character rying to cover up the fact that he
told the secret.  There are endless situatons that can arise rom the pack comedy, but the next tip is IMPORTANT,
maybe the most helpful I can give.

4) When developing a plot twist or a character trait, NEVER EVER settle on the first idea for it that you thought. 
The first idea is a cliche you saw somewhere else.  The second idea is probably a cliche too.  Think harder to find
a deeper reason a character can act or react.  Not only will the idea be more original, it will make the character
more realistic.

5) When you form your core cast, think about the relatinships they have with each other.

6) Before giving your characters their first adventure, take time to thnk about the setting.  When I created
"Holding Our Own", I figured on a whim that it would be a good idea to make the family, which I had already
developed a bit, German.  The reasoning was that they are usually unfairly maligned as a race because of Hitler &
the Nazis and the whole country supprting him.  So every German that comes after are evil intolerant white guys, and
they'd always have to cotend with that stereotype.  After that, I decided that the who area could have been settled
by German immigrants.  Hence the Schneider family name and the town of Bremen.  Now this gave me a whole identity
for the entire community.  The names are mostly decidedly and even ethnically German: Brent, Hector Bing, Maxmillian
Rolfe (Ep 2 segment 2), Keith Ackner, and the names of various other characters are all German.  Melissa was named
before the decision.  Angie was named not after my wife, but Angela Merkel, prime minister of Germany.  NOw I knew
that Angie's gun should be German, or Austrian.  Even very subtle jokes at the very beginning of episode 1 hint
early on at their ethnicity (words like Doppelganer and entropy, two German ideas).  To break up the homogeneous
culture, I have some British characters too (Mark Manchester is the most notable example).  Assigning a character to
an enthicity gives an instant cultural backdrop to a character, and may contribute to their decisions and behavior. 
(CASE STUDY: EVERYBODY LOVES RAYMOND)

7) Make your antagonists sympathetic.  I love "All In The Family".  The main character wasn't supposed to be the
series father, Archie Bunker.  It was supposed to be Gloria, the daughter.  (I think of "Holding Our Own" as a
modern inversin of "All In the Fmaily".  Gloria = Melissa).  Anyway, the show was designed to dispel stereotypes and
point out the absurdity of not repsecting people's differences.  Archie Bunker's role was the bigot.  But as the
series played out, people realized that Archie Bunker was the stereotype of the "regular white guy" from the WWII
generation and really painted him as a cardbard cliche.  This was the very opposite of the message the series was
trying to portray.  Moreover, Archie becme such an obvious cliche that viewers actually tuned in just to hear what
outlandish thing he uld say next.  The show was wildly popular, extremely funny, taught morals, but backfired in its
objective.  Johnny Strange is the anatagonist in "Holding Our Own" (In the All In the Family parallel, he = Michael
"Meathead" Stivic.)

People disagree with ech other on issues.  But you're being unrealistic if someone is a bad person just because they
have a different politicial point of view.  I hate Happy Feet.  I hate Avatar(ted).  I hate the motion picture
corruption of The Lorax.  I hate the 2011 Muppets movie.  They all turn the antagonist into a stereotype, and a
one-dimensional one at that.  Even in the Muppets, throughout the movie e bad guy is named "An Evil Oil Tycoon",
almost as if it's his name.  You can't gt more obnoxious than that: oil tycoon = evil.  People start to apply these
labels to people in real life.  No one wants to sit in a theatre to relax after working all week and get preached
to.  In Holding Our own, the parents' poilitical leanings are much closer to my own, and Johnny is far from it. 
Johnny is intelectually equal to Brent, probably considerably smarter.  He's sharp-witted, funny, and often zings
his verbal opponents.  Brent often falters.  In fact, all the characters wind up on equal footing; Each character
has a brilliant shining monent and a foolish moment.  Even a drug dealer or Planned Parenthood employee has a reason
they got to poisoning kids minds or killing babies for profit.  They didnt' just start out evil.  Real life people
aren't just plain evil because they see things differentl.  They just got lost and maybe want to find a way out.  I
mentined preachy environmental themed films.  In contrast, JETSONS: THE MOVIE (1989) depicts Mr Spaceley as someone
not evil, but starting out well-intentioned but blinded by a company milestone.  It gives a message, but doesn't
vilify the antagonist.  ANECDOTE: HOlding Our Own Episode 1 hd a theme about veganism, with the moral that it's
natural to eat meat.  MY friend, Mike, loved the cartoon so uch he wanted to be in one.  He's the voice of Hector
Bing.  He is a strict vegan on principle.  Episode 1: Vegan-Approved!

mini/sunnies When writing the script, dont' write it as if it's set in stone.  Go back after writing and rewrite parts of it
keeping in mind two questions: 1) How can this be mae funnier?  and 2) How can a character say or do this that is
more in line with this character's personality?  Focusing on question 2: In "Everybody Loves Raymond" and "How I Met
YOur Mother", Marie Barone and Lily, respectively, always have an underlying movite of manupilating the characters
closest to them.  SO when you see them doing anything, you automatically think they're up to something below the
surface.  Like tip 7, they are not doing this because they ar malicious, but because they don't like the way change
can upset the consistancy in their relationship among their group, and do they things they do out of fear of losing
the attachments to those they love most.

9) If you make long episodes, it may seem arduous, but there is a blessing to it:  While you are working with the
characters, it gives you a lot of time to think about the characters, their personality, and the setting.

10) This is VERY important: Keep extensive and detailed notes about everything.  Write character bios for private
reference.  Write story ideas and jokes that you intend to use in future episodes, so you don't forget.  Give each
character goals, character-based barriers to the goals, and separate goals for each character that converge (Case
study: SEINFELD).  Do extensive research on writing.  Here are some (but not all) topics I've researched for the
first 4 episodes of Holding Our Own:

German naming
Luger pistols
Text speech
culture in 2009
80s slang
Geography

I also have a lot of trivial knowledge that I use in the series to make it more realistic.  The facts in the first
four scripts of Holding Our Own are true about the following topics:

"Weird Al"
John Holdren
Barbie
all the 80s artists in episode 2
Mystery Date (board game)
2009 Homeland security document mentioned by Mark Manchester in episode 4.

I can share some of my materials with you.  Id helps keep the characters consistant.


10) Writing parody: Find something hypocritical about a topic and exploit the double standard by making the
characters obivious to the hypocrisy.  An example from the ending to Holding Our Own: Episode 1.

MELISSA
If there's one thing I hate, it's the inhumanity of personkind.  (pause.)  Hey, why are we eating out here?

ANGELA
It's a special night for your father.

BRENT SCHNEIDER
Yeah.  There's a 24 marathon that just started: 24 hours in 24 hours.

MELISSA
All right!  I can't wait to see Jack Bauer torture some terrorists!

I like the fact that you're doing satir involving a town of hipsters.  Lots of potential for funny situations.  I
will look forward to your finished product!  HipsterNation (tentative title idea?!)

11) Consider freezing your characters in time like I did.  Some shows have unrealistic aging (CASE STUDIES:
Simpsons, King of the hill, or in reverse, Last Man Standing/ Family Ties, Superman movies).  children dont age
properly.  Soaps are the worst; newborn babies are in high school in a year!  The drawback is that you have to
freeze the technology and societal evolution at that point.  But it's fun to do so!

12) Most important rule: have a reason for taking the time to do this.  And it can't be to get 100 million youtube
views.  You have to have something you're passionate about that you want to convey through the entertainment medium.
In "Holding Our Own", brent quotes the Bible or constitution while debating in every episode.  For public school
students with two parents working full time to support them, this may be the only time they get to hear these
important documents.  This does not conflict with tip 7.  Tip 7's not about not having a message.  It's about not
being one-dimensional, unrealistic or preachy about your message so you lose half your audience in disgust.  Having
a purpose also gives yor character short and long term goals and help you develop the character-based obstacles to
those goals.

I learned all this from nothing, just out of 1 year from brickfilming, but I hope this can help you out.  I can
answer any qs privaely, and I can let you look at some of the reference materials I'vebeen keeping to get an idea on how to organize thoughts/plots/ etc.  Let me know if this helps.  Also, watch the sitcoms you like and see what
makes them funny!

I havn't checked yr char list today, as I'm working offline as I type, but will now!!!!!

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Oh
My
Gawsh!
Thanks so much for all this valuable information! This is a total gold mine of advice that I think you should definitely submit to the "resources" section of BiM-- as I believe many here (including me) could definitely benifit a lot from this. Thanks so much!
Btw right now my idea for series title is "Vagabond." I want something pretentious and artsy to kind of mock hipster arrogance. I also had this idea for an episode: the characters hear some AWFUL music in a cafe, but they suppose that because nobody knows about it yet it's got to be cool. So they go to a concert by the awful band, and turns out ITS NOT A REAL BAND. It's a cover being used by a group of like cultists or whatever. They made the music as awful as possible to ensure nobody besides members of the cult. But they didn't really count on hipsters actually liking the music. Now, I'm not really sure what will happen after that, but it will be really silly (the cultists try to eat the hipsters.)
Again, thank you so much! mini/cat

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I just wrote a response, but BiM didn't process it and it's gone!  I was saying that I FINALLY got to read your character chart and it is very funny and well thought out.  I also would like to portray Fabrice.  He's so unlike me that I think I can bring the irony out.  I really love your idea, and from what I read, it has the potential to be a zany, irreverent, satirical series.  I love that!

Another important thing with characters is not just their bios, but their relationships.  I know I typed this up here already, so if you see it elsewhere, LET ME KNOW SO I CAN DELETE IT!  MElissa in Holding Our Own has six friends (in the Melissa PAC post at http://holding-our-own.tumblr.com ) Her best friend Chay and fifth-best friend Kikka are an important pair; Kikka interpets Chay's slang to adults.  Chay is Melissa's BFF and Kikka sometimes has unexpressed jealousy because she wants Chay's attention (the BFF experience).  This provides underlying movites for some of her actions, but it doesn't have to be explicit; it can just be part of your private resources/records.

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Um, Holding, it went through, just on the wrong thread. mini/wink

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Thanks, Pritchard.  Boy, that was weird of me!

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Well, that was the thread that I posted the link in. Sorry about that lol

in the other thread i wrote:

Lol I'll keep you in mind when I start doing the casting calls
Most of the characters are based off people I know, so I was going to get them to voice act for most of the characters, but Fabrice is just based off my US history teacher a few years ago and he'd probably be too busy to voice act. So yeah you could definitely audition.
Also yeah, I've started drafting the characters' relationships, just haven't added them to my spreadsheet (because I wouldn't know how lol.) Like Ginger and Oleg, easily the grumpiest characters, were dating each other for a signifigant amount of time but nobody knew this because Oleg and Ginger were grumpy towards each other even while they were dating. And stuff like obviously Rosemary and Sven are both really chill and Sven's friends with everybody but Rosemary kind of has a love/hate friendship with Collette because they are like complete opposites personality-wise but they are both accomplished artists. I dunno.

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Scary that that guy was teaching children!

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