Re: USA To pass bill to make video streaming illegal

topitmunkeydog wrote:

Ugh... I really hate the American government.

When it comes to protecting one's copyright or the whole government in general?

The government is not to blame here.  It's Hollywood and record companies.  Their greed has made it very difficult for us to get permission to use movie footage or music tracks that we just end up using it anyways instead of waiting on company lawyers to respond to us. 

The government is just making sure that my creativity and your creativity isn't being distributed without my permission.  What you should be complaining about is the stubbornness of some film, game and music companies unwilling to give permission for free publicity of their material.

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What I hate about it is that they legalize this poop.

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Copyright infringement has been a crime since Elizabethan times. And yes, you can go to prison for it.
This law is just going to make it easier to get convictions for people who stream content regularly and for a profit. Most likely because some congressman got a nice payment from the anti-piracy pressure groups.
Whoever got the idea that this would ban all gaming videos and brickfilms from youtube is stupid. Way back when Notch was a one man team he made it pretty clear that anything you made using minecraft is yours and not his. It's not breaking copyright to upload it. And LEGO clearly supports brickfilming. Then there is fair use which covers the rest of the stuff you're talking about.

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Lechnology wrote:
topitmunkeydog wrote:

Ugh... I really hate the American government.

When it comes to protecting one's copyright or the whole government in general?

The government is not to blame here.  It's Hollywood and record companies.  Their greed has made it very difficult for us to get permission to use movie footage or music tracks that we just end up using it anyways instead of waiting on company lawyers to respond to us. 

The government is just making sure that my creativity and your creativity isn't being distributed without my permission.  What you should be complaining about is the stubbornness of some film, game and music companies unwilling to give permission for free publicity of their material.

Yep when you think about it if you use copyrighted music in your own film (let's say brickfilm) and your not really making any profit from it then you should be able to legally use it because basically you are advertising the artist, the label and the music itself for free. But heck those greedy &@$%#*^! won't ever let us do that. Gosh it's not like we're trying to make money here!

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TDogg186 wrote:

Copyright infringement has been a crime since Elizabethan times. And yes, you can go to prison for it.
This law is just going to make it easier to get convictions for people who stream content regularly and for a profit. Most likely because some congressman got a nice payment from the anti-piracy pressure groups.
Whoever got the idea that this would ban all gaming videos and brickfilms from youtube is stupid. Way back when Notch was a one man team he made it pretty clear that anything you made using minecraft is yours and not his. It's not breaking copyright to upload it. And LEGO clearly supports brickfilming. Then there is fair use which covers the rest of the stuff you're talking about.

Gaming vids and Brickfilms are basicly Adds for the game or lego anyway...

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Alfa Animations wrote:

Gaming vids and Brickfilms are basically ads for the game or lego anyway...

Not according to some greedy companies.  I'm sure LEGO loves the free publicity, but others don't see it like that.  And we just have to deal with their ignorance.

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Looks like there's going to be a surge in jail population.  mini/lol   Absolutely ridiculous is this actually happens.

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So I'm going to jail for using 'Your a Mean One Mr Grinch' on a NON-PROFIT Stop-Motion animation using LEGO?

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Max Butcher wrote:

So I'm going to jail for using 'Your a Mean One Mr Grinch' on a NON-PROFIT Stop-Motion animation using LEGO?

You'll be walking da green mile bro! mini/lol

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Wait a minute, does this mean we can't listen to music on YouTube?
(If it pass)

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Probably not.

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I've heard about this one from a friend...

This is actually very stupid and short-sighted, I do agree...

But as for the LEGO aspect, and brickfilms being outlawed... A LEGO brick, if I note correctly, is NOT copyrighted... It's trademarked. And unless I'm wrong and it is copyrighted, a copyright and a trademark are FAR different. From my understanding of us laws (and correct me if I am wrong), a trademark covers PATENTS, things such as graphic t-shirts, patented designs (the LEGO brick, for examble), and anything of that like. Copyrights cover medias such as VIDEOS, IMAGES, CHARACTERS, MUSIC... and many other things that I just can't think of right now. So unless I'm wrong (and please dear Mata Nui be with us if I am), then brickfilmers are in the clear.

If I'm wrong, and this bill gets passed by October, then Harold Camping may not have been wrong after all. Third times the charm, eh?

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I've actually thought about the same thing, Bionicle Hero, However, I am somewhat worried about the little hings on all the studs that say LEGO on them.

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What's stupid is that we even have to worry about little things like that. The U.S government has much better things to do than toss Brickfilmers and Machinimators in jail.

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Fun fact: a study from the GfK (Society for Consumer Research) showed, that movie pirates visit a real cinema more often than the average moviegoer. They even pay more money for their tickets (weekend). Surprise, surprise... maybe because they really love films mini/rolleyes
A copyright law is nothing bad, there are lots of good reasons, why we need one, but it should be based on the reality of the 21st century and not the 18th or 19th century. When Gutenberg came up with letterpress printing the old medieval scriptoria really were pissed and they did everything to change the times back to the old system. Well, today we don't write books by hand anymore and the monopoly of the scriptoria is long gone. When they don't want to accept the changes, the copyright mafia will die as well. There are enough new systems like crowd funding or creative commons coming up.

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When I just skimmed your post really quickly I thought it said pirate movies, not movie pirates. mini/lol
I agree, the government should focus more on creating peace than taking down brickfilms. I don' tknow why anyone would think otherwise.

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The BIONICLE Hero wrote:

But as for the LEGO aspect, and brickfilms being outlawed... A LEGO brick, if I note correctly, is NOT copyrighted... It's trademarked. And unless I'm wrong and it is copyrighted, a copyright and a trademark are FAR different. From my understanding of us laws (and correct me if I am wrong), a trademark covers PATENTS, things such as graphic t-shirts, patented designs (the LEGO brick, for examble), and anything of that like. Copyrights cover medias such as VIDEOS, IMAGES, CHARACTERS, MUSIC... and many other things that I just can't think of right now. So unless I'm wrong (and please dear Mata Nui be with us if I am), then brickfilmers are in the clear.

You're right. Lego is trademarked, not copyrighted. Stop worrying, everyone. If this bill passes, we'll still be able to make brickfilms.

We just can't make brickfilms with copyrighted stuff like Star Wars in them, that's all.

AnnoyingNoisesProductions wrote:

However, I am somewhat worried about the little things on all the studs that say LEGO on them.

The Lego name is a trademark as well, so don't worry.

Not literally dead, just no longer interested in Lego or animation.

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Don't worry. We're animators, not bank robbers.

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topitmunkeydog wrote:

I agree, the government should focus more on creating peace than taking down brickfilms. I don' tknow why anyone would think otherwise.

People create peace. The government enforces it.

What this boils down to is pretty simple: someone owns something and doesn't want someone else to profit from it. This bill isn't designed to knock brickfilmers off the internet. It's designed to protect someone's intellectual property. How would you feel if someone took one of your films, posted it to Youtube, and started earning money off of it? Don't give me the whole, "but they're big companies and we're just po' little folk", because it's their stuff you are using if you are violating this bill, regardless of whether they are making $1 or $1,000,000. Theft is theft.

Yes, there is some very imprecise language in the bill that could translate to a company pressing charges over Let's Plays or content within a brickfilm, but there's more to it than that. The general consensus around here seems to be "...but Let's Plays are free advertising, anyone who would reject that is a stoopid head!". I want you to consider something: why do companies put so much effort into PR and advertising? Brand image. Now consider something else: brand image can be destroyed by any 12 year old with a Youtube account and a few subscribers. If someone dubbed over one of your films with a load of incest and sodomy jokes, I doubt many of you would say, "Hey this is great, I'm getting free advertising!". The government isn't going to be the one pursuing these cases, that responsibility will fall to the company. You're right, a good Let's Play can be a great form of product promotion, but you can bet that any company worth their salt will jump at the chance to crush anything that promotes their product in a way they don't agree with. And the kicker is that they can do this right now. LEGO can take you to court for making brickfilms right now. The bill doesn't give them the power to do that- they already have it.

This bill was created to crack down on a form of piracy that has been difficult to regulate in the past. Yes, it gives another avenue for a property holder to challenge your right to make a piece of media incorporating their material, but that's nothing new. If you don't stream copyrighted material without permission, nothing will change. None of us have had the right to use someone's stuff without permission, so I don't see why people are crying about a bill that just defines the punishment for doing so a tad more.

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minifig051 wrote:
The BIONICLE Hero wrote:

But as for the LEGO aspect, and brickfilms being outlawed... A LEGO brick, if I note correctly, is NOT copyrighted... It's trademarked. And unless I'm wrong and it is copyrighted, a copyright and a trademark are FAR different. From my understanding of us laws (and correct me if I am wrong), a trademark covers PATENTS, things such as graphic t-shirts, patented designs (the LEGO brick, for examble), and anything of that like. Copyrights cover medias such as VIDEOS, IMAGES, CHARACTERS, MUSIC... and many other things that I just can't think of right now. So unless I'm wrong (and please dear Mata Nui be with us if I am), then brickfilmers are in the clear.

You're right. Lego is trademarked, not copyrighted. Stop worrying, everyone. If this bill passes, we'll still be able to make brickfilms.

We just can't make brickfilms with copyrighted stuff like Star Wars in them, that's all.

AnnoyingNoisesProductions wrote:

However, I am somewhat worried about the little things on all the studs that say LEGO on them.

The Lego name is a trademark as well, so don't worry.

Ooh... Forgot about the Lego name there for a moment. A very important aspect of one of my upcoming brickfilms is using Lego as a surname... So that's good to hear. But I'm not so worried anyways though... There's been many controversial bills come up before, most of them having died down. I even remember one I heard about YEARS ago where they where supossed to, for lack of better words, BAN summer break from the school system. And although that was years ago and I hardly remember any of the details, it also died down eventually.

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