Sounds like a promising experiment, I've also considered it in the past though I did opt for 15 fps in my current project.  I guess I'm concerned about how this footage would look if you were to examine it at a slower rate or something, or that the switch from 12 to 24 whenever you feel like it could be jarring.  Then again, isn't this the norm in professional claymation?  I thought I had read somewhere that most of Wallace and Gromit is shot at 24 fps on (mainly) doubles.

On doubles means you take two frames of the same movement.

I think that would be a cool idea LittleBrick. I would like to see the outcome of the change to 24 fps on doubles.

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I think Crazyanimator's THAC 4 entry was shot at 12fps, and it turned out pretty good. I wonder if he used doubles. I'm personally going to stick to 15 fps, since I'm used to it, and it's easier to make frames - seconds conversions in my head (useful when I don't animate with a computer nearby).

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I animate at 15 FPS, iStopmotion exports it as if it were animated on doubles.  It doesn't make a difference as far as I've seen.

I did a test not long ago that required me to shot on quintuples. This is because I had a train going by.

So you held the same image for 4 frames (or you captured the same image 4 times, same thing) and played it back at 24 FPS?  That's equivalent to shooting singles at 6 FPS which wouldn't be too desirable. 

For a fast train going by, I'd suspect you'd want to maybe shoot on singles at 30FPS.  In general, the faster the motion you want to capture, the higher the frame rate you should use.  Shooting on doubles, triples, etc. effectively lowers the frame rate, not raises it.

I'm glad I found this thread as I'm currently filming my Star Wars sequel at 24fps on 2's.  I reluctantly did this as there's a fast moving animated background in one of the main scenes and rendering that at 15fps just didn't flow right so had to make the jump to 24fps. 

So far though the walk cycle etc has seemed a little more realistic and not as rushed as 15fps was but this week I start the final l/sabre fight and am a little cautious on how to stage this and how the pacing for the fight should be staged as I'm so used to filming at 15fps.  Any suggestions on how I should pace the swings and clashes would be greatly appreciated.! 

Can Anazzi handle switching between 24fps on 2's to 1's in mid flow as I may be inclined to film the fight on 1's if this keeps everything fluid

Smeagol you are right, Wallace and Grommit is filmed at 24 on 2's. 

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The trouble with 75FPS is I'm not sure anything can play back video at 75FPS.  TV and DVDs in the US are 29.97FPS, 25FPS in Europe.  I can play back video at 30FPS on my PC, but anything more than that bogs down.  I think some video games might be 60FPS on some systems?

If I filmed as you describe, I'd need to convert it to 29.97FPS to put it onto DVD for example.  So that that would cut out about 2 out of every 3 frames, so I might as well only move the train twice for every minifig movement and just move the train a larger distance than you were at 75FPS.  So my point is that though filming at 75FPS is possible, if you can't play things back readily at the frame rate, there's no point in putting in the extra work of filming at such a high frame rate if you will ultimately need to cut it back down to 30FPS or lower.

BTW, I personally don't mind bumps to old threads if they contribute relevant or interesting content.

It may stop people who recently made a thread getting answers.