Topic: My Knights' Kingdom Main Theme (OST), Feedback?

So I haven't done ANYTHING with my Knights' Kingdom film for about a month, and the script still isn't finished, blame life for getting in the way.  The only thing I've done is compose a main theme for the film.  I've never really used a keyboard before, I play piano and guitar but I'm new to actually recording with a MIDI keyboard plugged into a computer. 

I plugged my grandma's Casio something-or-other-210-whatever keyboard into Garageband on my computer and recorded and layered a couple different instruments in Garageband.  Because this is the first time actually using Garageband and my first time being able to make music and record it in layers (I hadn't borrowed the keyboard before) I'd really appreciate any feedback you can give. 

I want the film to be spectacular, hopefully, and that includes the soundtrack.  That's not the entire theme, there's a few more small parts to it and I've started a theme for Vladek.  Do you think I should try to sound more 'orchestral'?  Maybe more horns and strings?  If anything, maybe I'd do the melody with trumpets and then have french horns and strings make up the rest of it?  Right now I think the main problem is that it sounds kind of busy, like there's too many layers at once. 
 
I'm not positive what would be the best way to do it so any feedback is greatly appreciated. 
I'd suggest wearing headphones when listening. 

https://soundcloud.com/user495470665/kn … e-test-one

Thanks for any suggestions!

edit: this is also my first time uploading anything to Sound Cloud, please let me know if there's anything wrong with it

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It was okay, but it sounded "choppy" to me. I'm not one with much musical talent, so I can't tell you exactly what the problem is.  I think it is usually where there is a valley in the volume level.  When the sound comes back up it doesn't seem smooth.  I hope this helps somehow.

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It lacked any depth or richness. It was the same sound all the way through, the same theme repeated over and over again with little variation, and (in my headphones, anyway) an unpleasant 'comb-and-tissue paper' timbre. Definitely not epic. You need more variation, some more musical voices - especially bass notes, maybe some quieter passages and some sense of progression so the end is different from the beginning. IMHO.

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Messy. It doesn't sound like it's on the beat and i don't like that. I don't really think it's very bad besides that.

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I really liked it, concidering that most medieval film soundtracks sound the same. My only concern is that it kind of seemed out of sync.

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First, that's not the whole thing.  There's another main part to it that changes pace and gives it two different sections rather than the same thing over again like it is now. 
Mostly the issue seems to be it out of sync and choppy.  I'm not not sure how to use the settings to make them blend together or fade in/fade out more realistically, I'll work on that because I definitely don't want the final one sounding choppy.  As far as the timing, I can fix that too with more work. 

Thanks for the feedback, I'll work on it!

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Maybe you shouldn't use a keyboard? I don't know Garageband, but i'm sure there's a way to arrange the notes different though.

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I really like the way it sounds. Very unique mini/smile

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About the timing... Make sure you use the metronome function of garage band to your advantage when playing the various loops. I like the general sound of it though mini/smile

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I think that the reoccurring motif would get a little annoying if constantly repeated, as it does in this sample. However, I think that in all other aspects, it's GREAT! You really captured the magical feel that a soundtrack for a brickfilm based around Knights' Kingdom should. The timing is great, but the syncing of some of the tracks seems a little off - However, it almost makes it sound like it's not 100% perfect, which is great if that's what you were going for. (John Williams wanted this for his JAWS theme, so it would sound more "natural.")

I'm not sure if the background instruments are from the period, but, they really sound like it. However, I would personally add in a little more guitar, as, I feel that'll give it a little more of a gritty sound, which I would associate with an action-type movie (Westerns, Duels, even some Sci-Fi)

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So for the most part, you all seem to like the melody of the theme itself good, any issues are in how I go about playing it and what I use.  Thanks for all the feedback, and I really like to hear that y'all like it!

@BoatsAreRockable I used the metrenome more this time around, I was having trouble with it last time. 

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The motif is a little bit different each time; it repeats itself twice, then the chord pattern changes slightly which then repeats twice, then then an entirely new one twice (not in the recordings) and back into the first part.  That's basically what I've got for a main theme.  I see what you're saying about it getting a little annoying, but I think that if I introduce it right in the actual film and then don't just repeat it exactly the same way over and over it'll be fine. 
I plan on repeating the main theme a few times throughout the film, each time hopefully with an entirely different feel to it.  I expect it to sound more like this second test for the most part, more brass and strings than whatever random stuff was in the first one.  I might go with something more period sounding the first time then use an orchestra kind of one later. 

I like the idea of adding a guitar, I think for the third section of the theme (that I haven't tried recording yet) it'll probably use either a guitar (or guitar-like instrument) or a flute. 


So this time I tried slowing it down a bit and tried to give it more of an orchestral feel.  I only used brass, strings, and a flute this time.  I really liked what the flute did in the first part this time. 
I think this is better than last time for sure, but it the second part might almost be going overboard.  I guess I'll find out.  https://soundcloud.com/user495470665/kn … e-test-two

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I love it!  Great Organ-y synth; great melodies, medieval era sound.  You composed this?

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I liked this one better, but still think the transitions between volume could be more smooth.  As it stands it's good, but I think it could be improved.

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Thanks HOO, yes, I did compose this.  Specifically as a theme for my Knights' Kingdom film. 

0DonkyKong, thanks.  Yeah, I know I need a lot of work balancing out the instruments and the transitions, I'm definitely going to work more on that.

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It sounds much improved, although I think it might be a bit too slow now!

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Sounds pretty generic for a medieval score. The second theme sounds like a great opening title track, but using it for more than that would be too much.

Trying to make a list of good medieval soundtracks to recommend for inspiration, but all I can come up with is LOTR and How to Train Your Dragon.

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I think it's great, but I have a suggestion: keep the main theme at the same volume while lowering everything else down a bit. It will sound better, I think. Oh, and good luck with your film, I can't wait to see how it will turn out! mini/smile

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Make the music flow better, or have a fuller sound. Like by connecting the notes/having them sound less disjointed. It seemed to me that everything stopped short of the full note length, in other words (for example, at 22 sec). Also, adding in a little percussion would help, I think.

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This sounds really great. I'm not particularly musical so this might be rubbish advice, but I can imagine it sounding nice with some long, drawn out notes in the background, to connect things a little more. Or some percussion if you wanted a variant of this.

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Wow! This has sooo much potential! If only the midi sounded better.... but that can't be helped. My only possible suggestion would be fiddling around with a huge number of synth-instruments to see what sounds the most natural/least choppy (the melody somtimes has trouble flowing because the midi-instruments don't allow for that smooth sound). All in all, and as a musician, I think this theme is great for a Knight's Kingdom film. Good work!:)

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