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HoldingOurOwn wrote:

The problem is that the changes they make reduce the quality of things instead of improve them.  And here's the latest, starting next month, Screwgle is changing their policy where they can transfer/sell/give/ any of your private information and pictures to others.  But if you signed up before that date you are retroactively under the new "privacy" policy (or it should be called LACK OF privacy policy).  And if you delete your account, Google keeps it forever in their databases anyway.  So that's Google for ya.  First they hose you then they make it official.

Or you could, you know, opt out. It's not like they're trying to make the changes fly under the radar- they've literally sent a notification to everyone with a Google(+, dunno about Youtube) account a month in advance of the changes taking effect. If you don't like it, perhaps you should consider using a service that doesn't fund itself via ad revenue?

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Gee wiz I do enjoy a good Youtube complaint thread. I understand the frustration that comes with the removal of the 'response video' option, but some of the other stuff here is a bit stupid.

Youtube is a diverse place - it was never particularly geared purely towards self-proclaimed filmmakers, as such, it was a place where anyone could get their various types of content out there. That can be both a positive or a negative, but either way, the potential offered by YouTube is huge.

Also, to complain about adverts on Youtube is a bit trivial, considering that it is an ad driven service run by Google, an advertising funded company. Ads are the predominant way for Youtubers to earn something off their wears, so sitting through a short ad is really not that terrible. Or, instead of complaining about the injustice of 5 second advertising, you could just install AdBlock and never be subject to them again.

If you so vehemently dislike YouTube and Google (using 'Screwgle' hugely devalues your argument) to such an extent, why use their services? It's a rhetorical question - you'll inevitably continue using Youtube's services because it has offers an unparalleled audience. The real question is, must you be so bitter and unhappy about a service that, despite some quirks and a few issues, is essentially and *freely* offering you huge potential possibilities?

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Maybe I'm complaining because I don't like their disregard for privacy.  And I AM considering the other options.  Oh, and I don't think "screwgle" devalues my argument.  (you use that phrase an awful lot.) It's a concise way to drive a point, and although I wish I could take credit for it, it was Microsoft who came up with it.  By the way, I don't use YT AND Google.  I never use anything else by Google, EVER, and I was using YT before they took it!  (Lots of people are YT only users and also probably never got the message)  And it wasn't too long ago when the ads were rare.  Now it's all the time.  I am thinking about pulling out of their services entirely.

Actually, Ive made the decision to leave YT while typing this.  I've weighed my options and I don't care if my audience is smaller.  When I get the time to do so, I'm going to find another service that respects its users instead.  Maybe I'm alone, but enough singel people can make a difference.  And seeing the Net's amorphous nature, I'm sure one day enough people will leave YT hat it becomes a barren wasteland, like Compuserve, AOL, Pets.com, Independent providers, MySpace, etc.

So, fellow brickfilmers, which alternatives to YouTube would you recommend, and why?  also, my other question remains, what is a more fitting slogan for Google besides, "Don't be evil", which is an utter joke!?

UPDATE: I just joined Vimeo, but I still want to know what other brickfilmers think are the best alternatives and why.  Oh, and YT started asking for our cell phone numbers, I gave them a fake!  they can't be trusted w/ my private info.

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I have to agree with Carousel, referring to Google as "screwgle" doesn't do anything to enhance what you're saying, and is frankly pretty immature.  Google Ads are nothing new--they've been using personalized ads for years now.  And it isn't just Google--Amazon, Facebook, you name it.  The amount of personal data they gather is actually horrifying, but it isn't fair to lay the blame entirely on Google.  Also I'm pretty sure supplying your mobile number is optional, rather than compulsory.

Aaaannnnyway.... that having been said, I'm pretty unhappy with how Google has been running YouTube of late.  It's quite ludicrous to call them "evil", but I'd say they're being pretty misguided and incompetent in this particular department.  They seem to be operating on a "if it ain't broke, mess around until it is" basis.  The removal of video responses doesn't bother me so much, but the hideous One Channel design, the constant "change your username to your real name" prompts (no I don't want to change my username!  If I wanted my real name, I would have used it in the first place!), and the non-stop forcing of Google+ down your throat (NO, I DO NOT WANT TO MAKE A GOOGLE+ PAGE FOR MY YT ACCOUNT!  HOW MANY TIMES TO I HAVE TO SAY THIS?!?!?!?!) really gets on my nerves.

The really depressing bit, though, is that Google can basically do anything they like to YouTube, and get away with it because it's so popular people will keep using it regardless.  This is a site that gets billions of views every day.  And it won't be getting turned into a "barren wasteland" anytime soon.

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Also, google asks people for their cell phone every so often when you sign in and have been doing it for years. There is an option that let's you skip, and it's a form of password protection.

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I don't really understand what the deal is with the Google+ page.  I think I accidentally made myself one trough Youtube by changing my username, but I don't do anything with it.  It just sits on Google's servers wasting space.

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Nowadays, you can't make a new Youtube page without a cell #.  And Google is more than misguided.  I've done extensive research on them.  I recommend you do the same.  I don't discuss the details here because it's not appropriate for this forum, but the information is out there.

Also, here's an analogy about YouTube being too popular to fail; I never thought that MySpace would become the barren wasteland it is.  But five years ago all the users decided to switch to Facebook, which is an inferior web site, and now in 2013 many young users are leaving THAT.  Again, the internet is fluid, and while I'm not clairvoyant, nothing is static online.

And, Flying Minifig, I have respect for your point of view.  But "screwgle" is funny and yes, a bit immature, but so am I.  There's nothing wrong with a bit of immaturity to remember that us grown-ups shouldn't forget how to have fun.

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HoldingOurOwn wrote:

And, Flying Minifig, I have respect for your point of view.  But "screwgle" is funny and yes, a bit immature, but so am I.  There's nothing wrong with a bit of immaturity to remember that us grown-ups shouldn't forget how to have fun.

I hate Screwgle! Down with Crapple! Micro$oft is Satan! EA? More like Evil-A!

Grown-ups. Ha.

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Nathan Wells I love you

although this really isn't a conversation about whether it's immature to make fun of the name of websites. Yeah, I hate what google is doing too, but I think it's an effort to appeal to the audience leaving facebook. And I hate Google+ and Youtube mostly because of the content and users, not the design.
Eventually I am going to completely migrate to vimeo but not until I have some quality content because my videos right now are... immature to say the least.

also:

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I personally have not been a fan of all the recent YouTube changes either; I miss the old layouts. But YouTube is one of the most used websites of all time, and the most used video-sharing site. If it wasn't for YouTube, the brickfilming community might have not been as large as it is today. Of course, a lot of new brickfilmers might not be influenced by the best brickfilms out there, but they're still brickfilming, and therefore passing on the joy and inspiration that comes into brickfilming.

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My opinion of YouTube ( mini/shifty )

I like the current layout better than the last one. It seems cleaner, brighter, and more professional. (not as good as the one when I signed up in 2011 mini/sad ). I personally like Vimeo's layout less than the YouTube one. And about YouTube's changes, even though YouTube's persistence can be very annoying at least they give the option to opt-out of most things (for a while at least) while most sites would just update things over the whole site leaving you without a choice. Also Vimeo gives less customization (every channel looks the same, only two quality options, no annotations, etc.)

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Nathan Wells wrote:
HoldingOurOwn wrote:

And, Flying Minifig, I have respect for your point of view.  But "screwgle" is funny and yes, a bit immature, but so am I.  There's nothing wrong with a bit of immaturity to remember that us grown-ups shouldn't forget how to have fun.

I hate Screwgle! Down with Crapple! Micro$oft is Satan! EA? More like Evil-A!

Grown-ups. Ha.

!!! That'll fix 'em !!! 

also, Thanx everyone for your thoughts.

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Nathan Wells wrote:

EA? More like Evil-A!

EA is not that evil, now that there making the new Star War Battlefront game.:DD

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HoldingOurOwn, I still maintain the position that you're being excessively negative and (oddly?) prejudiced against anything and everything Google. I personally hold no sentimental connection or value to Google, nor do I deny that they aren't making some regrettable decisions with some of their services, but comparably with other large corporations and their respective practices, they're nothing out of the ordinary.

Every single company (notably Apple, Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Yahoo and a whole slew of others) that stores its user's data in servers in the USA has legal obligations to hand over whatever amount of your information and personal details to lovely 'security' agencies like the NSA when required. The National Security Agency, with its data-mining and surveillance PRISM program is already (and has been for years) collecting all of your emails, messages, browsing history and phone calls, regardless of whatever company the services are provided originally. Ultimately, if you want to use the internet, the huge compromise is that you're surrendering your privacy.

So quoting marketing campaigns, particularly largely hypocritical ones like the 'Scoogled' ads, is not only a bit immature, it's flawed and hugely inaccurate. With the Scroogle adverts, Microsoft attempted to gain on the fact that Google analyses the data from your communications (in order to target you with more relevant advertisements), when in fact, their own email services basically do the exact same thing. Furthermore, Microsoft was the very first large company to sign up to the PRISM spying program, so logically, you should be instead holding your negative attitude towards them. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Prism_slide_5.jpg

Anyhow, good luck with Vimeo, though realistically, I really do not see YouTube sinking into the west anytime soon.

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Regarding the YouTube layout, I much preferred the old YT layouts. Now, the layouts look like the homepage which I dislike. I do like the fact anybody can use a banner, but I do miss using a custom background.

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Carousel wrote:

Every single company (notably Apple, Microsoft, Google, Facebook, Yahoo and a whole slew of others) that stores its user's data in servers in the USA has legal obligations to hand over whatever amount of your information and personal details to lovely 'security' agencies like the NSA when required. The National Security Agency, with its data-mining and surveillance PRISM program is already (and has been for years) collecting all of your emails, messages, browsing history and phone calls, regardless of whatever company the services are provided originally. Ultimately, if you want to use the internet, the huge compromise is that you're surrendering your privacy.

...And your liberty.  What the NSA is doing is a violation of the U.S. Constitution.  If the NSA were private citizens, they'd be in jail.  Also, I recommend you do your research.  I know that other companies, like MicroSoft, are doing insidious things (latest is their involvement in Common Core), but as I said before, I've done extensive research on Google, and they do some things that are WAY out of the ordinary (again, it's not for this forum because it can spark inflamed controversy).

And I have switched to Vimeo.  Thank you for wishing me luck.  Please enjoy my first exclusive video there at
http://vimeo.com/channels/holdingourown or just
http://vimeo.com/holdingourown
Whether or not people leave YT in droves, as the one person responsible for my own actions, I'm at peace with myself, even if my viewership is reduced by the decision.  I wrote something in my Brickfilmer's guide about having a purpose for making your videos, and one of the things specifically that I wrote was that having the largest audience possible isn't a valid reason.  I want to live by my principles, especially when I gave instructions to others to do the same.

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YouTube is a free service. You get what you pay for, I suppose. I'm not a fan of the video response feature anyway, people tend to use it to ride the success of somebody else's work in a way that feels cheap to me.

Vimeo's the worst, I use it a lot at my job. Very slow server and the whole thing is just not very ergonomic. At least the interface looks prettier than YouTube. The compression's a little less artifact-y.

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Yeah, just think if we had to PAY for Youtube. mini/no

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Dyland wrote:

Yeah, just think if we had to PAY for Youtube. mini/no

SHH!

Don't give them ideas...

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Oh hey Michael I just thought of something- I've heard Vimeo's a little less tolerant (or better at noticing) copyrighted content so be careful about your videos maybe getting removed... mini/sad

jESUS I HATE COMPANIES RIGHT NOW (mostly becuase i just took the psat but also because of this thread, in general.)