Topic: Trailer - Legend Of Argonia Flash Back Scene the Beginning.

Legend Of Argonia Flash Back Scene the Beginning THIS IS NOT A TRAILER

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This is the start of the epic long movie Legend Of Argonia which I hope to achieve a 40+ minute film out of, here in this scene, there is a father and son, the father erges his son to go on an important quest to find someone known as Balfor, Balfor knows something that is going to change Richards life forever.

This is a flashback of something that was actually spoken.

This with all honesty, I believe may be my most flawless work I have done, I am very happy with the finished project, thanks to a lot of people in BiM for all your help and support, and amazing, amazing sense of appreciation.

Keeping this scene brief, this was never the end of the scene, it actually has an extended version, I have left out at the moment, which I will bring in later on,

the next scene will explain more to you what exactly is going on, and something that is going to effect Richards life forever.

Let me know what you think his going to find out, or what you'd like him to find out!

I would really love a review if possible, I put alot of effort into it, and truly feel the hours were worth it.

Thank guys,

NOTE: I tried to post this is the film directory but it did not let me it said my thumbnail did not work when I had it the right size and everything so I just put it in here. Please don't critize me on this part, as I know, I would appreciate comments and your thoughts on the scene.

Kind regards,
Generalned

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Nice use of sepia to make a flashback.  A vignette may also be cool, too.

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Thanks man, glad you liked it, a vignette would be an awesome idea, if its possible, I'll have to try it out thanks!

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Can I get some feedback from others as well?

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Hmm... okay if you really want! mini/lol

So, you need to improve your sets a little bit. More details and stuff to the rooms and outside. In some shot your animating table shows and that's pretty annoying. Then I DON'T like that you set the FPS lower when people talk and do things with their hands so (I don't like it, but someone maybe does, so I don't know how you would do it mini/tongue)

But... good animating, your walking style is pretty good, some guys don't do their walk cycles so nicely so... good work! The story is nice and nothing bad to say for voice acting for now.

Well... okay, so what I want that you do is improve the sets and be more meticulous when filming! mini/sunnies

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Hey there silmänkääntäjä thanks for your reply!

I understand and agree I may and should improve my sets, the reason this set was more simple was becuase it was just a simple small scene, the hand movement was not lowered at all infact I was just trying to achieve easing in and easing out at 15fps.

Haha the animating table part was on purpose! If you notice, when the old man bangs on the table it leans down towards him, showing you his very strong, then he fixes it up again by adjusting its kerb.

I'm glad you like the animating, and walking!

Alright I'll work on improving my sets and be more Meticulous mini/lol

Thanks a lot for your review/feedback!

Kind regards Generalned

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Could some other people be nice of them and review my movie? I'd really like to know other peoples opinions, as individuals.

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Have you heard of "show, don't tell"? A photo of Balfor and a map laid out on the table would have shortened this scene considerably, which would have been preferable, as it is too long and all shot from one viewpoint. Even a couple of 'over the shoulder' shots would have broken the scene up and made it more interesting. Also, the dialogue is very stilted -- there's too much "my son, the journey is long" stuff, and not enough "don't trust Balfor, he's a cunning S.O.B." stuff. It's just not engaging enough. In my opinion..

You did ask.

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Sets were too basic, animation was slow and the aspect ratio is a mess. Also why is the letterbox sepia colored? Also the audio quality is bad, there's way too much background noise. The project seems good, but you need to improve, with that kind of animation people won't watch more than 4 minutes of the film not to mention 40+mins.

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Hey there jahnocli thanks for your reply, I understand what you mean in shooting different view points, I'll work on that next time, I was honestly thinking of putting a picture of Balfor or someone heroic, however I just didnt have the time as I can't animate everyday, I will work on my dialog next time thanks for your reply and opinion I did appreciate it.

Hey Larry, what did you mean by aspect ratio? And it was sepia as it was meant to be a flashback scene, so yea. I'm sorry the quality wasn't very good for you, on my end it actually works fine as an avi, sorry about that though, I understand I'll work on my animation.

Thanks alot for your guys replies, however some positive feedback would have been nice, I do put alot of work into it even if its not something you'd consider great.

Kind regards,

Generalned

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Larry Simmons wrote:

Sets were too basic, animation was slow and the aspect ratio is a mess. Also why is the letterbox sepia colored? Also the audio quality is bad, there's way too much background noise. The project seems good, but you need to improve, with that kind of animation people won't watch more than 4 minutes of the film not to mention 40+mins.

Larry... you are right on these but why you sound so rudy thi week?

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silmänkääntäjä did you find the audio quality bad? Cause I played it over and over just to hear it, and it sounds fine mini/blankexpression  maybe its peoples speakers?

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Please don't take any offence, but the clip as a whole was lacking in many areas. I'll lay out my key thoughts in points:

1. You really need to focus on honing your core animation. A really good thing that Larry pointed out, albeit in a somewhat blunt way, is that if you don't get the animation at the start to be satisfactory, the audience will definitely not hang around to see if it gets any better. It may sound a little harsh, but nobody will want to sit around for 40+minutes watching jittery animation. The arm movements, walking and everything in general (get it? mini/lol) needs some degree of improvement.

2. The audio is indeed undesirable, the voice acting could flow a little more with the certain emotions in the lines, but the major problem is the buzzing/static in the background of the voices. It really distracts from what the people are saying. I'd suggest getting either a sock or stocking and putting it over your microphone which will greatly increase the quality. Some editing in an audio program like Audacity or Garage Band would also help a lot too.

3. With the actual dialogue, you really need to cut to the chase. I could have easily shortened the dialogue to at least half of what it was and still gotten across the intended meaning. Some things are unnecessary and tiresome. You want to attract the audience and gain their attention, not to bore them with unnecessary information.

4. The sets certainly need some work. They are bare, and this feeling is particularly exacerbated by the stagnant one angle continuous camera shot. If it were split into a few shots from different directions, it would have made the scene tenfold more interesting. The aspect ratio also needs fixing (try 16:9) as well as the odd sepia tint.

5. Make a short title. People don't remember mouthfuls, it needs to be something short and snappy. Just keep it at Legend of Argonia + maybe another word.

If you manage to put these points into action, I 100% Carousel Guarantee that you'll end up with a film that is light-years ahead of what it is now. Good luck.

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The arm movements looked odd, though you previously stated the whole thing was filmed at 15 FPS. The set was a little barren, and the audio needed some improvement (like others have said). However, the sepia really added to the flashback effect, and like HoldingOurOwn said a vignette would have made that look much better. One thing that I think should have happened is go back to realtime when he says the line, but perhaps that doesn't happen. I don't know. If someone looked at the video not knowing that it was a flashback may think that the tinted footage looks ridiculous, so try to introduce the audience into what is going on in the scene. But, very nice job and of course, always try and improve, but do not leave your opinions of your animations up to the masses, because I personally thought this wasn't too bad mini/smile

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Hey there Carousel, I really do appreciate you taking your time and listing your points were I have to improve, I do appreciate it, and I will do my best to work on these points you have listed, I will try the sock with the mic thing and hope it works, I think its just the mic I have because when I record there is no background music, so I really don't know whats going on.
Also is the aspect ratio the size of the film, I'm trying to improve on my sets, I'm just sort on baseplates and bricks, so its a little hard atm.
But thanks so much for your time once again, I will try and work on what you have suggested!

Hey Caveman Incorporated Thanks for your comment!
The arm movements probably looked odd for you and others is probably because I believe I took to many shots and put to many hand movements into dialogue, I will aim to fix that in my next film,  I'm glad you enjoyed the sepia for the flashback I was gonna do black and white but I though I'd try sepia.
There was a realtime scene, I just didn't put it in as I didn't get a chance to finish it yet, when I do though I'll definitely add it!
I understand what you mean, as people get bad impressions, by seeing a flashback without knowing what the flashback is about, thanks for your concern and tip, I will get the scene up when I can!

Thank you for enjoying it, and liking it I really, really do appreciate it, seeing a couple nice comments means alot, I will aim to improve, I keep pushing to achieve a better result in my next film.

but do not leave your opinions of your animations up to the masses

Thanks man, I personally enjoyed it, as I did put alot of work and heart into it, but I'll try to improve so people can appreciate my work at the same time.

Thanks very much for your replies!

Kind regards, Generalned

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Hey, improvement will not happen if you don't show your videos, and it takes a tough skin to post on the internet. Keep up the good work! mini/smile

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Thats true, And thanks alot mate, your encouragement, keeps me highly motivated, cheers for that mini/smile

Kind regards, Generalned

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There is a new scene coming soon, I have taken everyones advice thanks again! Stay tuned!

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I did once see a flashback scene, but I remembered it to be of vintage filming, but then again that was many years ago, hmm now its sepia so they say? Alright then, sepia is the new Flashback!
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