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I just watched my first Doctor Who episode, Rose. It was pretty good, but the effects were quite lacking at times. I am told it gets better over time, and I am eager to see it improve. Still, I like the way it starts out.

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Mighty Wanderer wrote:

I just watched my first Doctor Who episode, Rose. It was pretty good, but the effects were quite lacking at times. I am told it gets better over time, and I am eager to see it improve. Still, I like the way it starts out.

You sir, are in for an epic experience filled with awesome. mini/bigsmile

Speaking of effects, I'm quite amazed with how good they are now. Remember back when we had the weird CGI bin eating Micky? Hahaha
The stuff they did for the cubes was really nice.

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That bin was quite weird. mini/tongue

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Peetsa!

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I finished Power of Three, and I must say it is my favorite so far. I don't have to much new to say (Lucas basically had the same thoughts) but that I found the episode quite enjoyable. Here's hoping Angels in Manhattan is good!

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lol YES ! I hadn't considered the little girl sitting there for a year mini/lol

Yeah, she just sits there, unnerving people. mini/tongue  They never really explained the two doctors (not the Doctor, but the two guys with the weird mouths who kidnapped Brian), either...

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This episode.....this episode.....

I still think they should have retired the Stone Angels after 'Blink'. It was such a self-contained episode that to bring the Angels back would remove all the terror from them - and that's what happened the last time we saw them. Looking up and seeing an Angel advancing towards you with that shrieking face was scary in 'Blink', but it quickly became old. The Angels gimmick is basically to jump-scare you - like The Slender Man, only 'Slender' is a terrifying game because your actually playing it, which is a completely different experience to just watching. (When they announced that they were making interactive Doctor Who games, I thought that the first thing they would do is make one with Stone Angels. I suppose a 'Slender' clone with Stone Angels would be too terrifying for kids...although I now really want to see someone do a mod to 'Slender' where your running from a Stone Angel rather than the man...)

This all being said....the ending to 'Blink' hinted that Stone Angels can come in any form. I'm surprised its taken Moffat this long to follow up on this, and the scene with the hooded female statue is actually quite scary. Its kind-of-sort-of explained how other statues are coming to life, though not clearly enough. I still want a full episode where all the Stone Angels are just ordinary statues. The whole suspense would be that an Angel could be anywhere - whilst in this episode this possibility is never explored.

The book is a physical plot-hole. At one point the Doctor says that he cannot read the book because River hasn't written it yet in the timezone their in - which I suppose makes some sort of sense, but before he just says not to do it because it'll spoil everything, and they can still look at the chapter headings so obviously the book isn't blank. "We can't look through the book  - its too dangerous!" Um, no! Who cares if the ending of the book is nasty - you have all the answers! Why not read it! I dont get why Moffat wrote this plot-point in, only to never use it again. I'm reminded of in 'Spaceballs' when they try to fast-forward to the end of the film so they can work out what's going to happen. OK; if I was given a book with my entire life-story in book form to read - I wouldn't because it'll spoil the rest of my life...but if I was thrown into a life-threatening situation and I was given a book documenting this event - I would read it! Who wouldn't read it!? There is only a small chance it says "Everybody dies" at the end, and in 'Doctor Who' the laws of time and space change in every other episode - so who's to say they cant read it and think "OK, the book says do this - so we'll do the opposite!" For we know, the writing could change like the photograph in 'Back to the Future'...Just like the gravestone does later - which is an obvious homage to 'Back to the Future 3'].

Oh what a shock - Rory gets kidnapped! In this respect, I'm glad he's gone]. The Auton-Rory was the best and only worthwhile thing they ever did with the character (although I have no idea why Rory remembers being a plastic Roman). Heck, his Dad was more useful than he was!

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Predictably, the ending didn't make much sense. The conclusion surprised me because I'm so used to the laws of time and space changing all the time, and normally the Doctor would be able to pull some ridiculous solution out of no-where - yet he's unable to fix something that seems so small. This might have created drama if they addressed this (and they did in 'The End of Time' where the Doctor is able to survive the return of the Time Lords, but dies when he opens a door), but Moffat is desperately trying to cram all this into 45 mins. Not to mention: if Rory went back after all then that wouldn't mean the paradox is now fixed - like in 'Fathers Day'? Also, if Amy joins him then wouldn't that make the paradox worse - or be impossible since no-one else other than Rory can travel back? Moffat has a bad habit of screwing up time and then fixing it with the most idiotic solutions possible (The Universe ending? Crash a metal box into it!)

I also didn't really get a chance to feel sad because the farewell scene was so rushed - although in some ways I'm glad Moffat kept it brief compared to all the build-up they gave Rose (I always felt sorry for Martha. She just kinda walked off at the end of Series 3, whilst Rose was pretty much RTDs entire focus. I suppose with Moffat its River Song - who STILL isn't a permanent companion yet!!)

Finally - what were the Stone Angels trying to achieve? Did they want to take over New York? Did they want to live forever? Did I miss something?

Overall: it was lame. I like how Moffat once again uses the most terrifying aspect of the Stone Angels to his advantage - but it wasn't as terrifying as 'Blink' because the Stone Angels had a purpose. In 'Blink', the Angels wanted the TARDIS and didn't care about all the puny humans in their way - which was the other reason why 'Blink' worked so well: because the protagonists were just ordinary, vulnerable humans. The Stone Angels are mute assassins - the Doctor is too intelligent to be against a monster where the only thing you can do is just run from it. With the Daleks, the Doctor can confront them and find some sort of weakness - here he's a bit useless (this would be OK if the Doctor took a moment to think "Oh crap - I can't stop them. All we can do is just run, and we can't run for long").

Not nearly as bad as the last time we saw the Angels, but not particularly good either. There were no real strong, powerful moments (apart from just before Amy goes back in time too. Sadly, the rest of the scene is too brief for anything else], but at least there were no awful moments. To be fair on Moffat, this kind of stuff is very hard to write...

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OH MY GOD

THAT EPISODE

MADE ME CRY

MY PANTS ARE STAINED WITH TEARS

OH MY GOD

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THE ANGELS TAKE MANHATTAN

I was shocked at how good and how well directed this episode was. I knew the episode was gonna look good because Nick Hurran is becoming one of the best directors ever on Doctor Who but MY GOD this was the best directed episode I have ever seen on the show ever! The opening scene was the best pre-intro sequence the show has ever had and would kinda work as it's own mini movie if it had an actual ending.
I had never been so excited about an episode ever so I was ready for it to suck or dissapoint me but it didn't because of how well executed everything was. Everyone knew this was Amy and Rory's episode but i'm glad it wasn't only about them leaving and actually had an interesting storyline.

I don't really want to write alot about this episode because i'm sooo tired right now after having spent the past 36 hours waiting to see how this episode would turn out (sure I watched Looper in the cinema in the mean time but other then that! Just waiting) and i'm happy to say it did satisfy me. I didn't cry - I have never cried ever on Doctor Who so that doesn't surprise me. I wasn't scared - I've never been scared by an episode of Doctor Who or even any movie ever so i'm not surprised by that either. I was however loving this episodes every moment, this is my favorite Steven Moffat script ever - Doctor Who or otherwise.
It is also the best directed episode of Doctor Who ever which is pretty self explanatory if you watch it so I won't have to explain why it worked so well.
The only complaint I have is that I really wanted this to be an hour long episode because we haven't had that in a while mini/wink

This is an episode that must have been really hard to write and Moffat pulled it off in spectacular fashion ending the most impressive companion run that has ever been done in Doctor Who history.
And this, is how it ends.

10/10

THIS SEASON SO FAR
Asylum of the Daleks - 8/10
Dinosaurs on a Spaceship - 9/10
A Town Called Mercy - 6/10
The Power of Three - 10/10
The Angels Take Manhattan - 10/10

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oh whoops remembered the whole paradox thing and whatevs

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I just watched 'The Power of Three'; it reinforces my disliking of Matt Smith and his boyish, zero attention span, hypo, expressionless 'acting'. I am frankly sick of Amy and her self confidence/attitude; and bland Rory has... well... stayed extremely bland. The episode itself was fractured, a futile attempt to make the audience feel for the Pongs, before their hopefully fatal (fingers-crossed) half season finale occurs. Why was Amy telling us this story, why? Not impressed. It was ultimately too slow paced in the wrong scenes (watching boxes) and far too fast in other scenes (the computer AI interface guy on the spaceship).

Sincerely, a pre-Matt Smith Doctor Who fan.

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Can I just raise one point, everyone? I mean, I get annoyed by silly plotholes sometimes as well, but...

IT'S ONLY FICTION

I honestly don't get why you can't just sit back and enjoy it. It's like how everyone at my college was trying to come up with their own theories about what was going to happen in the episode right from the beginning of the series. What's so wrong with just sitting back, watching the episode, and letting the story be told to you? You don't have to analyse it, or pick holes in it, because it's just a story. A fantastic story. Brillaintly written, and brilliantly told. It doesn't need to be anything else.

The whole point about the laws of Doctor Who, both in terms of story, continuity, and every since aspect of the show...is that it can be rewritten. The only single constant in the whole series, across the 50 years it's been on, is the name. All of the characters change and develop. So what if the laws of time are different in one series to another? Really, so what?

I have this philosophy, and I know that not many people share it, but it's that the execution of an idea is just as, if not more important than the idea itself. I apply that to Doctor Who, just as I apply it to everything else.

But hey, all of that's just my opinion. I love Doctor Who, Steven Moffat, and Matt Smith, and I love where they've taken the show. I'm not trying to convert anyone to my way of thinking, I just wanted to give my opinion, and I have. Rant over.

Incidentally, I'm really looking forward to the Christmas special and Oswen's return.

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^ I like that.

I enjoyed last night's episode. It was wonderful. I think that Rory and Amy's ending was brilliant. Though, I do wish that it were a two parter, or at least a long episode. I think it needed just a bit more with it, especially a scene where the Doctor tells Mr. Williams what happened.

And though it had the Angels, it wasn't really that scary. I rather miss being frightened by a good Doctor Who episode, like Blink, which took much sleep away from me after I watched it, or in Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone the big reveal where you find out that all of the statues are alive was so awesome and clever. Still, I really do enjoy these villains, and I hope we still get episodes with them every once and a while.

Also, Rory died three times in this episode, and unless I'm forgetting any of his deaths, this puts the final Rory death count at eight.
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I'm slowly making my way through Season 1, but I'm not understanding why defeating the alien controlling Station 5 is any different than saving Mr. Tyler. Wouldn't it still cause a major change in the timeline?

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What episode are you referring to?

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Mighty Wanderer wrote:

I'm slowly making my way through Season 1, but I'm not understanding why defeating the alien controlling Station 5 is any different than saving Mr. Tyler. Wouldn't it still cause a major change in the timeline?

well, you can create a major change in the timeline, but not if you're doing it on purpose when you are directly trying to change something you've seen in the future.

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I'm not sure I quite understand what you're trying to say, but it still doesn't make sense. I can understand about fixing something that was sent back from the future, like the Dalek in Utah or the Chula ambulance, because those were not originally on the timeline. But unless the Station 5 monster came from the future, they should have gotten the same result they did when saving Mr. Tyler.

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It was nice to see the Weeping Angels done well again - it helped to wash away the bad taste their previous two-parter left. It wasn't as scary/suspenseful as Blink (I doubt they'll ever be able to recapture that lightning in a bottle), but it was compelling and entertaining. The pathos at the end was a bit heavy-handed, but the scene with

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Amy and Rory on the rooftop

was incredibly tense and well-executed. Of course, this episode deserves all the stars simply for the amazing reveal of

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the Angelized Statue of Liberty.

It was the best kind of silly.

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Mighty Wanderer wrote:

I'm not sure I quite understand what you're trying to say, but it still doesn't make sense. I can understand about fixing something that was sent back from the future, like the Dalek in Utah or the Chula ambulance, because those were not originally on the timeline. But unless the Station 5 monster came from the future, they should have gotten the same result they did when saving Mr. Tyler.

Basically, with Mr Tyler, they already knew he was going to do, and Rose actively went back to prevent his death. She knew that he was going to die, and so by stopping it, it never happened, so she couldn't have known he was going to die, so she couldn't have gone back to stop it, but if she didn't go back to stop it, then it would've happened. Paradox. BOOM!

On the other hand, when they arrived at Station 5 they had no inkling of what was going to happen - they were trying to stop the bad guys, just as that freedom fighter girl at the beginning wanted to. Since they didn't know the future, they weren't creating a paradox.

Sorry if this is confusing - I understand it fine but it's just hard to put into words.

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@Jampot, Yes, it is fiction, and yes, some people go over the top analysing every little detail. In most well written stories, I don't mind some minor plot holes. With Russell T Davies, I hardly ever noticed any. But when the plot holes and inaccuracies are so blatantly obvious in a sub-par storylines, it's hard not to notice and criticise them. This has become a signature feature of the Moffat and his series.

My opinion doesn't seem shared here, and that's absolutely fine. I feel that Moffat has really smashed Doctor Who around, making bad casting and writing decisions at almost every turn. Before Matt Smith, Doctor Who was in most cases, adult and a even a bit scary. Steven has turned Doctor Who into child orientated, incredibly soppy, un-engaging mess. Every single one of the Doctor's enemies grouping together in unison? Killing Cybermen with a baby's cry? Catering to little annoying kids who are scared of their cupboard? Doing a rip of Narnia? Reversing timelines repeatedly? Slapping a giant US flag on ancient pyramid with a train going into it? Spitfires in Space? Rehashing ideas for monsters  (angles - silence, gas mask people - dolls in the doll house)? I could go on and on and on. But wait, is my rant over? Not yet... mini/lol 

Matt Smith as the Doctor does things that the Doctor as a character would fundamentally never do. He is extremely physical and shouty with Kahler Jex, cannot do self-conflict, jumps from sadness to great happiness in a micro second...
How should they fix Doctor Who, in my opinion? Kick Matt, Karen, Arthur, Steve, Murray Gold and some of the particularly bad writers (Toby Whitehouse, Mark Gatiss). Who to replace them? Keep Oswin, I liked her, and bring in Harry Lloyd (who played 'Brother of Mine' in my all time favourite episodes of the new series altogether, 'The Family of Blood' and 'Human Nature') to play the Doctor, and the rest, I will think about later... in my dark corner. mini/smile