Topic: Hey guys, My second attempt in brickfilming just want a chance.

Hey guys, this is my second brickfilming animation my first one was my original and i feel i have improved alot since my first one thanks to nice people in the bricks in motion community.

Heres my new attempt, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32mJrvbE … ature=plcp  i hope you enjoy it.

Thanks guys.

Generalned

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Re: Hey guys, My second attempt in brickfilming just want a chance.

Better!

One thing that you really need to look at is how people move in the real world, and then translate that to the movements of your minifigures. For example, walk back and forth in your room, and you will swing your arms.
Even if it's only a little bit, they still swing. The guy's arms didn't swing, stayed in very unnatural positions, and vibrated back and forth. You tried to swing Guy #2's arms,  but they kinda jumped back and forth in between three spots and once there vibrated around. The punches didn't look like real punching and didn't really have much "force" behind them.
(Watch this for an example of a really good fight scene.)

And it's a little pet-peeve of mine, but in real life, the guy with a helmet ALWAYS wins the head hit.
Especially if it's military-grade and had a nice, sharp, pointy bill in the front. mini/devil

Obviously there were some set, prob, and camera bumps, but those will smooth out with time and practice. One thing that I always do is have the plate that the camera is sitting on connected to the set's plate. That way, if either one gets bumped, they will move together and it will appear that nothing had moved.

Anyway, keep up the improvement!

Re: Hey guys, My second attempt in brickfilming just want a chance.

Thanks for your reply, I honestly improved thanks to your tips! i really appreciate it, i know it is still a bit choppy and still very unrealistic especially with the head butt scene, but i don't understand what I'm doing wrong which is were i hope you can help me improve, as you can see i wanted the guy with the halo helmet to do a brief speech but was unable to due to the fast speed, so i just want to ask, i captured this through helium frog which is great for me, as its just easy to use and has great accessories, but what i want to know now is, how do i fix the light flicker ? i kind of try to keep my camera as close to the set as possible, though my camera is on a tripod so that might be the reason, and one more thing i really tried with the head but and punch i mean i really tried i kind of tried to ease in and ease out like you said so i swung the #2 guys hand back then went for the swung as i tried to make it fast and realistic.

what software would i need to use to add the audio and how can i delay the images or pause them to make the recorded parts i need?

Thanks again mate always appreciated.

Generalned

Edit: I loved the profession it was a fantastic spy movie, i wish i could do something like that, hopefully maybe someday.

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Well, the main thing I see that needs improving is that you need to TAKE MORE FRAMES for each movement. Everything looks like it's jittering around; it's very choppy. For 15 fps, you have to take more than four frames in a movement to make it be smooth. For slow movements, such as talking movements, you need to take about nine frames per movement. For a faster movement, take less frames. For a slower movement, take more frames.

So, try taking more frames, then once you've gotten used to that, you can work on how to ease in and out.

(What I mean by "take more frames" is having each picture be a increment of movement (not the same picture for multiple frames; you do that only for pauses.) So you need more increments, one in each frame, for a movement.)

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Re: Hey guys, My second attempt in brickfilming just want a chance.

Good start of brickfilming experience. You can now doing nice (not yet very nice mini/wink ) animations. But you need to more practice and patience mini/wink. Watch some tutorials of walking and start filming, but dont push yourself to be "perfect". Of course skill training is good, but... perfection is not exist.
If you see its good its good and upload it mini/smile. (this is only brickfilming...)
I see that you are using webcam and probably standard bulbs light. Cheap webcams haven't good white balance and optics... So light flickers are standard with using cheap webcams and standard bulbs. Im testing my cheap webcam and led lights (1,2W and 0,6W) and its much better than bulbs. If you can try led lights.


Im also started making brickfilms. Exactly four days ago mini/wink.
This is only hobby for me.
I think that when we try to make ours hobby-skills too good...its no more hobby, just forced work and its more stressful than relaxing and instructive...

Re: Hey guys, My second attempt in brickfilming just want a chance.

@minifig051 hey thanks for you reply i used repelling spiders 15fps walk cycle guide, thank you for your edit i understand what you mean now, minifig could you explain to me how long I'd need to pause for example to say ''who are you?'' and how do i pause it, with windows media player, or sony vegas 8, thanks for your honestly i trust your judgement ans appreciate it i will make the movements longer, i will probably make a new video tonight and hopefully show slight-great improvement.
Thanks again, btw i just missed your message yesterday as i just hopped to bed!

@Adalbertus hey man thanks!, Yer patience is the key, its hard for me as when i start something i just want it done! But im understand patience and why its so important, yer im using a webcam but its a great webcam man, its 15MP and its glass lens with full HD video up to 1028-720 so i must have the settings wrong which ill work on.

Goodluck on your brick filming to, i wish you all the best, and i agree with you when hobbies become serious it can be stressful but tbh i am up for the challenge! i don't have a lot of internet atm so i can't watch tutorials but when i do i definitely will be there are so many amazing brick films out there its unbelievable i hope to be good one day and be able to have fans who love my work.

Thanks for your reply guys i really appreciate it!

Ill keep you updated on my third test, which will be a new thread once done

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Re: Hey guys, My second attempt in brickfilming just want a chance.

Generalned wrote:

@minifig051 hey thanks for you reply i used repelling spiders 15fps walk cycle guide, thank you for your edit i understand what you mean now, minifig could you explain to me how long I'd need to pause for example to say ''who are you?'' and how do i pause it, with windows media player, or sony vegas 8, thanks for your honestly i trust your judgement ans appreciate it i will make the movements longer, i will probably make a new video tonight and hopefully show slight-great improvement.
Thanks again, btw i just missed your message yesterday as i just hopped to bed!

To add pauses, all you need to do is make copies of a single frame to make it last longer on screen.

Using your example; that line would take one movement, say a arm raising then lowering. Pause on the "who", raise the arm up during the "are", and lowering it during the "you".

It's also a good idea to add some pauses (I usually do eight frames) at the beginning and end of a shot (a shot is from one camera angle change to the next). You might need more or less depending, though.

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Re: Hey guys, My second attempt in brickfilming just want a chance.

@minifig051 So just to clarify if im copying the same frame, is it the same as just taking a few extra shots? Or is there a difference?

Thanks for your reply and comment, always appreciated.

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You're using MonkeyJam right?
In that case you have two options:
#1. Simply keep mashing the capture button until the required number of frames have been taken.
#2. Drag the first, already captured frame down and stretch it into the required number of slots.

I recommend #2. If you keep hitting the capture button, chances are some teeny-tiny differences will show up in between the frames, and while for a moving picture this is fine, with nothing else going on, those become painfully obvious. If by some shear luck there are absolutely no differences in between the frames, then there is no reason to not do the former other than the speed and ease of stretching the one frame.

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@Pritchard Studios thanks for your reply I'd like to ask you one thing, i am using monkey jam right now but someone insisted in me trying helium frog as it has onion skinning, and they said it would be a great way for me to start,so i was hoping you'd still be able to help me out and hopefully tell me how to do it from helium frog, or would you recommend me continuing to use monkey jam?

The thing is if i use helium frog, i wouldn't expect to have the frames shown like it did on monkey jam and be able to move it around and expand it, so for helium frog it gives you onion skinning but doesn't give you that option, if this was a good way to go would i need another software for editing it such as sony vegas or windows movie maker? and how would i be expanding it for the voices through the pictures or through the actual avi? I know you said stretch frames, i just want to be sure it would be the same, but please give me your honest opinion once you reply i will begin my third test right away.

Cheers mate.

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Re: Hey guys, My second attempt in brickfilming just want a chance.

Practice makes perfect.
You are doing great and all the help you've gotten is excellent, but I just felt the need to say that some things you just learn by trying them out for yourself. Tutorials are great and all, but you can't have one for every movement you're going to make.
For example, it isn't necessary to ask people how helium frog is. Simply do this, download it, and try it out for yourself.
I don't mean to be mean or sarcastic, I'm just trying to help you out as well.

(PS I can see you're from Australia, so you're evidently a native speaker. Do your think you could work on those run on sentences and capitalize your i's? Sorry I just can't stand bad grammar. If you aren't a native speaker, obviously ignore this.)

Edit: I forgot to mention that I don't say this just about you, so please don't take offense.

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Re: Hey guys, My second attempt in brickfilming just want a chance.

@Realm of the Unreel Thank you for your reply, and enthusiastic reply, I am not offended at all and I do apologize, and i am an Australian, and by native If you mean aboriginal then no, I'm not.

The reason I asked was mainly because I did use it and I understand it, I am just confused what to do after I have done all the frames, I have searched on google, and did not get any results, and as BiM is a fantastic and helpful community I turned to here  to hopefully get an answer, If you would know and are able to help me I'd really appreciate it, pretty much all I wanted to know was simply how to pause using sony vegas 8 or doing it with windows movie maker to allow it to run smoother yet allow volume to match the lego talking.

Thanks for reply it's appreciated.

Cheers.

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"Are you a native speaker" is another way to ask "Is English your first language." mini/wink

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@Pritchard Studios ok thanks, can you help answer my question?

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You're confused on what to do with all the frames after their captured? Try looking for a "Make movie" button. mini/eh

Disclaimer: The below advice is based on what I have heard about Helium Frog, and is not based on any personal experience.

I believe with HF to achieve pauses you will either need to capture that many frames, or do it in post-production. Onion skinning ain't that necessary, and when compared to having the raw frames backed up, as well as being able to directly manipulate them in the capture software, I think you should stick with MJ.

Now, should you switch, this is how you would create the necessary pauses in post.

With WMM, all you do is split the clip, and then import one of the original frames into the gap. That, or simply click the screenshot button. (I think that's how it works, but I haven't used it in a while.)

With Vegas, it's a bit more complicated. It doesn't have a handy-dandy split feature that I know of. And I'm not sure if it's just my copy, but the screen shot feature doesn't work. What I sometimes do is bring in another copy of the clip, cut each one to the same frame, then bring in that original frame, stick it in the middle and adjust its length as needed. The problem with this is it causes a noticeable bump when going from clip to frame. (Put this on full-screen, and then pay attention to the edges of the frame.)

I get around that by bringing in another clip and cutting it down to just the one frame, then stretching it out to the needed length. If it can't stretch that far, (Which commonly happens) I simply copy/paste.

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Re: Hey guys, My second attempt in brickfilming just want a chance.

@Pritchard Studios thanks man I really appreciate you getting back to me, it wasn't on putting the frames together it was more just how to do the pauses once i got to post-production stage, but your answer has helped me thank you for that, and in future I'll be sure to try to hunt those items for you to get more answers from you !

I will be starting my third test today, mainly practicing to getting the walking lego to be smooth.

Cheers!

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Generalned wrote:

It's also a good idea to add some pauses (I usually do eight frames) at the beginning and end of a shot (a shot is from one camera angle change to the next). You might need more or less depending, though.

This is true.  Although "Holding My Own Ep 1" is my first brick film, I've done some hand-drawn animation in the past, one which appeared in a film festival.  The animation pioneers Harman & Ising have a great list of animation tips that translate into Legoland.  One is (I don't have the exact quote on hand): The audience requires the first four to six frames to identify what's on the screen.  I put about eight frames in before moving.

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Re: Hey guys, My second attempt in brickfilming just want a chance.

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Generalned wrote:

It's also a good idea to add some pauses (I usually do eight frames) at the beginning and end of a shot (a shot is from one camera angle change to the next). You might need more or less depending, though.

This is true.  Although "Holding My Own Ep 1" is my first brick film, I've done some hand-drawn animation in the past, one which appeared in a film festival.  The animation pioneers Harman & Ising have a great list of animation tips that translate into Legoland.  One is (I don't have the exact quote on hand): The audience requires the first four to six frames to identify what's on the screen.  I put about eight frames in before moving.


Oh cheers mate, thanks for your reply tbh I just bought sony vegas 9 today which I'm really proud of though I'm in need of alot of assistance with it, if you can help it would be very much appreciative and once again cheers for your comment!

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When using Helium Frog it is quite simple to extend a pause to sync movement with sound. Go to the editor and cut copy / duplicate frames as required. It does this on the fly and rebuilds the animation .avi file.  Another useful function in the editor is the ability to paste invert, where you can paste the frames back in reverse order. This can be useful for arm movements or head turns and saves you having to capture the movement in both directions.

Check out the documentation below for more information.

http://www.heliumfrog.net63.net/Helium_ … indow.html

A link to the full documentation is below

http://www.heliumfrog.net63.net/Helium_ … guide.html

Free Animation Software at www.HeliumFrog.com

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martinprice2004 wrote:

When using Helium Frog it is quite simple to extend a pause to sync movement with sound. Go to the editor and cut copy / duplicate frames as required. It does this on the fly and rebuilds the animation .avi file.  Another useful function in the editor is the ability to paste invert, where you can paste the frames back in reverse order. This can be useful for arm movements or head turns and saves you having to capture the movement in both directions.

Check out the documentation below for more information.

http://www.heliumfrog.net63.net/Helium_ … indow.html

A link to the full documentation is below

http://www.heliumfrog.net63.net/Helium_ … guide.html

Wow! Thank you so much for sharing this information, I was actually wondering if you can help me, as you know yes I am now using helium frog but also i just recently got Sony Vegas 9 I was wondering if  you knew any videos or have any experience with it?

Cheers mate

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