Topic: When is enough enough?

Why is it in more and more brick videos are turning up with profanity and sexuality?
I was surfing yoiutube over the weekend and I was surprised how many videos I came across that were in very bad taste and offensive.
It is sad because a few of what i saw were brick filmer's whom are great animators and pass off videos full of crude humor.
I will not mention whom they are because I know how people will read between the lines and say I am attacking them.
I am not, all I am saying is there really a need for sex and swearing in Lego videos?
We must remember a majority of people who watch Lego videos are still kids.
And these Lego bricks and mini figures we love so much are still kids toys.
I am so glad that none of that is allowed here in BIM and would really like to see more strict guidelines on Youtube in regards to what is appropriate and what is not when it comes to brick videos.
Just my two cents on something I really believe gives brick films a black eye.

Re: When is enough enough?

Antonio Ferrara wrote:

Why is it in more and more brick videos are turning up with profanity and sexuality?
I was surfing yoiutube over the weekend and I was surprised how many videos I came across that were in very bad taste and offensive.
It is sad because a few of what i saw were brick filmer's whom are great animators and pass off videos full of crude humor.
I will not mention whom they are because I know how people will read between the lines and say I am attacking them.
I am not, all I am saying is there really a need for sex and swearing in Lego videos?
We must remember a majority of people who watch Lego videos are still kids.
And these Lego bricks and mini figures we love so much are still kids toys.
I am so glad that none of that is allowed here in BIM and would really like to see more strict guidelines on Youtube in regards to what is appropriate and what is not when it comes to brick videos.
Just my two cents on something I really believe gives brick films a black eye.

Couldn't agree more.

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Re: When is enough enough?

Antonio Ferrara wrote:

Why is it in more and more brick videos are turning up with profanity and sexuality?
I was surfing yoiutube over the weekend and I was surprised how many videos I came across that were in very bad taste and offensive.
It is sad because a few of what i saw were brick filmer's whom are great animators and pass off videos full of crude humor.
I will not mention whom they are because I know how people will read between the lines and say I am attacking them.
I am not, all I am saying is there really a need for sex and swearing in Lego videos?
We must remember a majority of people who watch Lego videos are still kids.
And these Lego bricks and mini figures we love so much are still kids toys.
I am so glad that none of that is allowed here in BIM and would really like to see more strict guidelines on Youtube in regards to what is appropriate and what is not when it comes to brick videos.
Just my two cents on something I really believe gives brick films a black eye.

I feel what your feeling.

These are Legos, kids toys! Sexuality and profanity is not what kids do with them.
Keshen8 is one of the many who promote things like these and, since Keshen is believed to be the highest ranked brickfilmer, people follow his lead.

It's just too much.

EDIT: Well, occasional swearing is fine though sex-jokes and all these World War films are a little too much. A little violence is fine though not a whole bloody (I'm using that as literally bloody, not the cuss-word) war!

-LASF

Last edited by LASF (September 19, 2011 (03:22pm))

Re: When is enough enough?

I could not agree more.

The idea that something so innocent and pure as lego animation could be corrupted so easily is a testament to the sad state of society we live in. What will the children who see these films think? We obviously need to eliminate the films entirely. If there is even the slightest chance that someone could stumble upon a sexual or profane brickfilm, that person is in extreme danger. Where would humanity be if we just allowed the free expression of ideas and creative works whenever someone felt like doing so? There is absolute right and wrong, and until we stand up and force it upon the people who make these films, we are shirking our moral obligation. We need an alliance of brickfilmers who are willing to police films and criticize them for expressing deviant viewpoints.

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Re: When is enough enough?

I don't see the problem there. If you don't share the humor of the filmmaker or if you are easily offended by the sujet of the film, just don't watch it. Some people obviously like it and will continue consuming and making them. Deal with it.

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Re: When is enough enough?

A. wrote:

I don't see the problem there. If you don't share the humor of the filmmaker or if you are easily offended by the sujet of the film, just don't watch it. Some people obviously like it and will continue consuming and making them. Deal with it.

This.

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Re: When is enough enough?

LASF wrote:
Antonio Ferrara wrote:

Why is it in more and more brick videos are turning up with profanity and sexuality?
I was surfing yoiutube over the weekend and I was surprised how many videos I came across that were in very bad taste and offensive.
It is sad because a few of what i saw were brick filmer's whom are great animators and pass off videos full of crude humor.
I will not mention whom they are because I know how people will read between the lines and say I am attacking them.
I am not, all I am saying is there really a need for sex and swearing in Lego videos?
We must remember a majority of people who watch Lego videos are still kids.
And these Lego bricks and mini figures we love so much are still kids toys.
I am so glad that none of that is allowed here in BIM and would really like to see more strict guidelines on Youtube in regards to what is appropriate and what is not when it comes to brick videos.
Just my two cents on something I really believe gives brick films a black eye.

I feel what your feeling.

These are Legos, kids toys! Sexuality and profanity is not what kids do with them.
Keshen8 is one of the many who promote things like these and, since Keshen is believed to be the highest ranked brickfilmer, people follow his lead.

It's just too much.

-LASF

Not so sure about that, LASF.

First off, Keshen is only the second most popular brickfilmer on YouTube. Second have you noticed that many of his recent films have little to no spoken dialogue. The last film of his  remember to have obvious profanity was Mac or PC. It sorta seems like he's moved on from that for the most part. I can think of 2 culprits for the this rise in profanity and sexuality in some brickfilms.

1: ForrestFire101. now nothing against Forrest for the most part. He has some pretty good animation (heck, he's in my bo for crying out loud), but profanity and Sexuality are prominently present in many of his films. And since he IS th most popular brickfilmer, many newcomers will follow his lead

2: Other non-brickfilming YouTubers. many people on YouTube will watch some person on YouTube with the above themes present, and then see a brickfilm, and then mix the 2 together.

Sorry if this sounded like a rant, just trying to get my opinion out. Not trying to be mean.

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Re: When is enough enough?

Just not watchin' a film ain't as simple as that, mateys. Unfortunately, I usually don't find out until it be too late. mini/blankexpression

I be hatin' those dirty brickfilms. 'Tis my policy to never like or favorite 'em, an' give 'em a dislike. It just be wrong.

Ya don't need to make something dirty t' be funny, me hearties.

I wish there were more people standin' o'gainst 'em.

Argh.

Re: When is enough enough?

A. wrote:

I don't see the problem there. If you don't share the humor of the filmmaker or if you are easily offended by the sujet of the film, just don't watch it. Some people obviously like it and will continue consuming and making them. Deal with it.

I am the first to agree with freedom of expression and freedom of speech A. It isn't so much what we are watching that is the problem because we have the ability to police ourselves and not watch it. The thing that bothers me is that kids watch these videos and the impression it leaves on them. We have to deal with yes but it does not mean we have to like it that's all.

Re: When is enough enough?

Sonjira wrote:
LASF wrote:
Antonio Ferrara wrote:

Why is it in more and more brick videos are turning up with profanity and sexuality?
I was surfing yoiutube over the weekend and I was surprised how many videos I came across that were in very bad taste and offensive.
It is sad because a few of what i saw were brick filmer's whom are great animators and pass off videos full of crude humor.
I will not mention whom they are because I know how people will read between the lines and say I am attacking them.
I am not, all I am saying is there really a need for sex and swearing in Lego videos?
We must remember a majority of people who watch Lego videos are still kids.
And these Lego bricks and mini figures we love so much are still kids toys.
I am so glad that none of that is allowed here in BIM and would really like to see more strict guidelines on Youtube in regards to what is appropriate and what is not when it comes to brick videos.
Just my two cents on something I really believe gives brick films a black eye.

I feel what your feeling.

These are Legos, kids toys! Sexuality and profanity is not what kids do with them.
Keshen8 is one of the many who promote things like these and, since Keshen is believed to be the highest ranked brickfilmer, people follow his lead.

It's just too much.

-LASF

Not so sure about that, LASF.

First off, Keshen is only the second most popular brickfilmer on YouTube. Second have you noticed that many of his recent films have little to no spoken dialogue. The last film of his  remember to have obvious profanity was Mac or PC. It sorta seems like he's moved on from that for the most part. I can think of 2 culprits for the this rise in profanity and sexuality in some brickfilms.

1: ForrestFire101. now nothing against Forrest for the most part. He has some pretty good animation (heck, he's in my bo for crying out loud), but profanity and Sexuality are prominently present in many of his films. And since he IS th most popular brickfilmer, many newcomers will follow his lead

2: Other non-brickfilming YouTubers. many people on YouTube will watch some person on YouTube with the above themes present, and then see a brickfilm, and then mix the 2 together.

Sorry if this sounded like a rant, just trying to get my opinion out. Not trying to be mean.

Point well taken.

Re: When is enough enough?

Sonjira wrote:
LASF wrote:
Antonio Ferrara wrote:

Why is it in more and more brick videos are turning up with profanity and sexuality?
I was surfing yoiutube over the weekend and I was surprised how many videos I came across that were in very bad taste and offensive.
It is sad because a few of what i saw were brick filmer's whom are great animators and pass off videos full of crude humor.
I will not mention whom they are because I know how people will read between the lines and say I am attacking them.
I am not, all I am saying is there really a need for sex and swearing in Lego videos?
We must remember a majority of people who watch Lego videos are still kids.
And these Lego bricks and mini figures we love so much are still kids toys.
I am so glad that none of that is allowed here in BIM and would really like to see more strict guidelines on Youtube in regards to what is appropriate and what is not when it comes to brick videos.
Just my two cents on something I really believe gives brick films a black eye.

I feel what your feeling.

These are Legos, kids toys! Sexuality and profanity is not what kids do with them.
Keshen8 is one of the many who promote things like these and, since Keshen is believed to be the highest ranked brickfilmer, people follow his lead.

It's just too much.

-LASF

Not so sure about that, LASF.

First off, Keshen is only the second most popular brickfilmer on YouTube. Second have you noticed that many of his recent films have little to no spoken dialogue. The last film of his  remember to have obvious profanity was Mac or PC. It sorta seems like he's moved on from that for the most part. I can think of 2 culprits for the this rise in profanity and sexuality in some brickfilms.

1: ForrestFire101. now nothing against Forrest for the most part. He has some pretty good animation (heck, he's in my bo for crying out loud), but profanity and Sexuality are prominently present in many of his films. And since he IS th most popular brickfilmer, many newcomers will follow his lead

2: Other non-brickfilming YouTubers. many people on YouTube will watch some person on YouTube with the above themes present, and then see a brickfilm, and then mix the 2 together.

Sorry if this sounded like a rant, just trying to get my opinion out. Not trying to be mean.

Well, the basic point is that newbies will come along, see how popular Forest and people like him are and follow them, as in, make sexual, violent, and full of profanity. This is FF101's newest film and it's full of profanity. And we just want less films like these. True, not everyone is going to stop but hopefully a tad bit do.

-LASF

Re: When is enough enough?

Avast, this be one of thee touchy subjects. Now that ye metioned that daft Forrestfire, this be about him as well. Then again, this discussion be far more than him. It be about all thee daft landlubbers who be making inapproriate brickfilms. That scallywag Forrest be the most popular of them all. Even I be against them, I be not discussin' it. I not be getting involved in touchy subjects as this one be.

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Re: When is enough enough?

Just going to throw in a wee bit here.
I kind of see both viewpoints. The LEGO is mostly considered as a child's toy. Kids may be more likely to look up Brickfilms, certainly, than adults. Sure, we'll look them up, but they may search on YouTube and become fascinated with the art of the hobby. They may also follow the lead of the leading Brickfilmers with the most views or who are well-known. At the same time, I do not want to generalize here, but not all kids are bread, butter, and angel wings. I remember as a wee lad I had a friend or two who, indeed, would be quite lewd and crude with the LEGO minifigures. There are just as many "clean" kids as there are "dirty" kids, I'd imagine. In the same vein, yes, the Brickfilms and Brickshorts do rather represent cultures and society. There's probably more explicit sexuality and violence in films than, say, fifty or sixty years ago. Much of the media today shows this. Now this isn't an excuse to make Brickfilms more violent and sexual, but at the same time, I feel like, just as with media, there will be many variants of Brickfilms as there are movies and television. There are clean, wholesome television shows and movies; there're violent, dirty, television shows and movies, and there are others that fit neither of the preceding categories. The diversity, if you will, that is there will probably also exist in the Brickfilming world because of the influence drawn from reality.

Mm, one more thing. In my Communications and Culture course in college, my professor brought up an interesting point. The Greeks were known for their love of fun, humour, play. How is it, then, that they wrote such famous and tragic, well, tragedies? A student answered that they were able to do it because they would not know joy without tragedy. A little food for thought concerning the morality. How might you teach your kids right and wrong if the wrong were, say, purged from the films?

Now, I'm rather rubbish when it comes to coherence in large paragraphs, but this is just a few cents of hopefully thought-provoking stuffs. All in all on this, I'll remain neutral.

(Hah, too me so long to write this little bit, I didn't see the posts above!)

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Re: When is enough enough?

True, Forrest and many others must be stopped, they're Legos for god sake.

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Re: When is enough enough?

JaredSM wrote:

True, Forrest and many others must be stopped...

He's making hundreds of dollars, do you really think he'll stop? But I know how you guys feel on this, most of the kids who see his stuff are 10. I do wish children would be creative, it's sad that kids see this and filter everything down to Licensed themes or bust.

Re: When is enough enough?

This basically goes back to the, "To curse or not to curse" thread, but add in the sex theme in it too. My thoughts on it: If you don't need it, then don't put it in. We've learned that from Mr. Forrest. Not saying it has to be 100% clean, but try your best not too add too much. I agree with Squash's sarcasm, (I'm really hoping it's sarcasm, or that'd be awkward) that it is free-expression, and you can do whatever the heck you want with these children's toys, but there is a line that can be crossed, and on many occasions is.

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Re: When is enough enough?

I don't see why we should limit brickfilms to just things for kids to watch. Brickfilms can grow as a medium to address adult and mature themes. I'm sure many people thought the same thing about cartoons when they were first being made, but you can see now how much they've grown. Trying to stunt the growth of brickfilms by not liking or favoriting it just because it has "adult themes" is incredibly stupid.

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Re: When is enough enough?

As much as I'd like to see every single brickfilm have good moral standards, it's not gonna happen, but here's an idea...

how about you guys make more clean brickfilms more often, and that will in turn shift the ratio of clean to dirty films in favor of the clean ones? mini/bigsmile

Also, shame on you Squash. :[

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Re: When is enough enough?

It's so sad that the newer Brickfilmers have to put all that in they're videos. I guess they see other people do it, like FF101 or keshen8 and just expect, "hey if I put all language and the sexual themes in, everyone's gonna subscribe to me!" because they know that one reason these popular people get more subs, is because of all the profanity, and the crude jokes.

FF101 isn't the "best Brickfilmer" out there, heck he's just on YouTube to entertain, not show off his animation skills. They're are more people on this site who could animate better than him any day.

BTW good point LASF.

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Re: When is enough enough?

WelcomeToAwesomeness wrote:

I don't see why we should limit brickfilms to just things for kids to watch. Brickfilms can grow as a medium to address adult and mature themes. I'm sure many people thought the same thing about cartoons when they were first being made, but you can see now how much they've grown. Trying to stunt the growth of brickfilms by not liking or favoriting it just because it has "adult themes" is incredibly stupid.

I agree we should not limit brick films to just kids that is true. And it is great how big the medium is getting and by no means should there be anything to stunt the growth of this growing medium.
There have been so many good points made and I do agree there is a time and a place for everything.
Everyone has the freedom to make what they want and how they want to express themselves. But unfortunately until a way can be found to police what kids watch we will be going round and round on this..