Topic: Alternative to Masking?

We all know masking is a lot of work mini/frustrated . But can you get the same effect from chrome keying the image with the object held up with blue bricks? mini/eh
If yes mini/yes do you have an example or someone who does that?

Re: Alternative to Masking?

Yes, you can just key out the rig, but the result isn't as clean as masking. If you want good results, you have to do a good effort.

Re: Alternative to Masking?

Thats what I figured out 10 tests later. mini/twitch

Re: Alternative to Masking?

I don't know anyone who does that, but I can give you a method I use to make masking simpler. I call it Double Rigging. If I want an object to fall, first I take picture with a rig supporting it from the bottom. Then, I take a picture with a rig on it suspending it from the top. The object is roughly in the same place in both frames (I advise onionskinning to make sure it matches up). Then, I mask out the rig in the fist frame using the second frame as the background plate. It comes out a lot smoother than using one rig.

Not literally dead, just no longer interested in Lego or animation.

Re: Alternative to Masking?

Seems like a lot of work! Have an example of a video you used it in?

Re: Alternative to Masking?

I haven't released any videos yet, but I used it in the one I'm working on now (which will be my first released film). I think I made it sound more complicated than it is. Actually, it requires a little more work on-set with the rigs, but the post-poduction work is easy as pie. It comes out a lot smoother-edged, it's definetly worth it.

Not literally dead, just no longer interested in Lego or animation.

Re: Alternative to Masking?

Could you post a picture?

Re: Alternative to Masking?

No, I'd have to upload it to Flickr first. I haven't figured out how to use it yet.

Not literally dead, just no longer interested in Lego or animation.

Re: Alternative to Masking?

then post here when your movie is out.

Oh and does keshen8 mask or do some other trick?

Re: Alternative to Masking?

He masks. And is excellent at it, by the way.

Re: Alternative to Masking?

He also does some rotoscoping: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotoscoping

http://i.imgur.com/RnPzz.png
*Signature made by Mighty Wanderer*
Youtube | Twitter

Re: Alternative to Masking?

On way is keyframing a lego man but it takes loads of skill.

http://i.imgur.com/CSwoca1.png

Re: Alternative to Masking?

That's a clever idea, minifig051. I'll have to store it away.

Re: Alternative to Masking?

Thanks, Jargon. I thought of it because I use Stop Motion Pro's Rig Removal tool. It's a lot messier than using Photoshop (I don't have Photoshop). When I tried to remove one rig, it was really hard trying to erase just the rig and not what I want to float. When I used my Double Rigging method, it came out a whole lot smoother.

Not literally dead, just no longer interested in Lego or animation.

Re: Alternative to Masking?

I thought I might as well post in this thread:

Keshen8 and a lot of other animators have used flying bricks. If there is ever an explosion, LEGO bricks come out of the fire. I noticed this with Keshen8's videos.
Do they just do it like how we would animate a guy flying (you erase the bricks), or do they do it some other way?
~Storm

mod edit: Ohai there Mod, you alright?
http://www.bricklink.com/store.asp?p=DWStorm
^^^^Check out my bricklink store ^^^^

Re: Alternative to Masking?

I think it all depends on what type of look the animator wants to achieve. A more realistic effect would be brought through masking (if done well). But in the example you give from what I assume to be Keshen's Lego Black Ops, I think the flying bricks and grenade were added digitally.

Re: Alternative to Masking?

Living LEGO wrote:

I think it all depends on what type of look the animator wants to achieve. A more realistic effect would be brought through masking (if done well). But in the example you give from what I assume to be Keshen's Lego Black Ops, I think the flying bricks and grenade were added digitally.

Digitally? What do you mean (sorry, could you explain) mini/smile

Was it like greenscreened in, is that what you mean?

mod edit: Ohai there Mod, you alright?
http://www.bricklink.com/store.asp?p=DWStorm
^^^^Check out my bricklink store ^^^^

Re: Alternative to Masking?

Keshen8 only does rotoscoping. It's actually kinda obvious to tell the difference, the lighting is always a little different and the movement is a little smoother than the rest of the animation. It's a lot faster and easier than masking, but doesn't look quite as good or realistic in comparison with the rest of the animation.

kcirb-- its brick backwards.
Youtube

Re: Alternative to Masking?

Jargon wrote:

That's a clever idea, minifig051. I'll have to store it away.

Yeah, I also think that's a really neat idea. I might have to try it next time I mask something.

http://www.majhost.com/gallery/BGanimations/Signatures/final_400x100.png

Re: Alternative to Masking?

DW|Storm wrote:
Living LEGO wrote:

I think it all depends on what type of look the animator wants to achieve. A more realistic effect would be brought through masking (if done well). But in the example you give from what I assume to be Keshen's Lego Black Ops, I think the flying bricks and grenade were added digitally.

Digitally? What do you mean (sorry, could you explain) mini/smile

Was it like greenscreened in, is that what you mean?

coolasice11 wrote:

He also does some rotoscoping: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotoscoping

So he takes a DIGITAL picture of the bricks and moves them frame by frame. mini/smile

http://i.imgur.com/RnPzz.png
*Signature made by Mighty Wanderer*
Youtube | Twitter