Re: BiM 2010: Avant-Garde Results!

bodville wrote:
smeagol wrote:

Seriously, I have my doubts that anybody spent months developing the film concepts they ended up using.

Crime Stories took me over 400 hours to record and edit. There was plenty of hours just in post-production.
That still doesn't account for the weeks spent getting bricklink orders together or the weeks spent building the sets.
Or the thousands of frames recorded edited and thrown away while I tested concepts.

Bodville wrote:

I spent a few months recording frames and editing test scenes.

As I stated publicly in these forums to the contrary I take offence to your remark.
Screw you Smeagol and the horse you rode in on.

You are talking about the actual stage of production - from what I've read, I think he meant the Pre-Production, that means coming up with a concept and an idea for an entry, which has most likely not taken most of the time. (Correct me if I'm wrong)

Aaanyways, congrats to the winners. All little problems that this contest itself might have had aside, some of the entries were really enjoyable!

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Re: BiM 2010: Avant-Garde Results!

bodville wrote:
smeagol wrote:

Seriously, I have my doubts that anybody spent months developing the film concepts they ended up using.

Crime Stories took me over 400 hours to record and edit. There was plenty of hours just in post-production.
That still doesn't account for the weeks spent getting bricklink orders together or the weeks spent building the sets.
Or the thousands of frames recorded edited and thrown away while I tested concepts.

Bodville wrote:

I spent a few months recording frames and editing test scenes.

As I stated publicly in these forums to the contrary I take offence to your remark.
Screw you Smeagol and the horse you rode in on.

1. Quote misconstrued, Smeagol was referring to narrative and design when he said concept- in your case this would be the idea of a musical.
2. Way to look like a jerk.

I really enjoyed your film, but I would have probably placed it in exactly the same spot it is now, were I to decide what ranking it should get- the concept just doesn't support the technical aspects.

ANYHOW congrats to the winners, and all the other entrants as well. You all made very entertaining films, and I had great fun watching them. Excellent work!

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Maybe now that BiM 2010 has passed and been long discussed about, who thinks they'll enter BiM 2011?  Just curious.

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I will.

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I hope nobody thinks that a lower rating implies we think it's a bad film.

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... or that a higher rating implies we think it's a fantastic film.

Remember, half a film's score was based on whether or not there was anything avant-garde about it. I honestly thought that Crime Stories was the most entertaining film in the contest, but I didn't see anything about it that hadn't been done before in other brickfilms. Hence the lower placement.

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I thought Filmyguy won? mini/frustrated

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Bobo590 wrote:

I thought Filmyguy won? mini/frustrated

Uh, that was just the trailer contest. Not the actual thing.

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So he did win! Just not this contest. Got it.

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bodville wrote:
smeagol wrote:

Seriously, I have my doubts that anybody spent months developing the film concepts they ended up using.

Crime Stories took me over 400 hours to record and edit. There was plenty of hours just in post-production.
That still doesn't account for the weeks spent getting bricklink orders together or the weeks spent building the sets.
Or the thousands of frames recorded edited and thrown away while I tested concepts.

You have misinterpreted what I said -- I just said that the *concepts* (as in the story ideas/scripts) were not something one would spend months writing.  I feel somewhat vindicated by the fact that several people have pointed out here that you quite clearly misinterpreted it.  That was in response to somebody saying people spent so long coming up with their ideas that they had very little time to make the film, whereas the concepts in this contest, regardless of how good they are, would simply not take months to develop and write, because they're simple.  Animated bricks set to music.  A making-of documentary about a Zombie movie.  A rock music video about a bank robbery.  I know you spent months making your film, and it shows! mini/smile

Bodville wrote:

I spent a few months recording frames and editing test scenes.

As I stated publicly in these forums to the contrary I take offence to your remark.
Screw you Smeagol and the horse you rode in on.

You did get the second highest technical score and as the comments said we found your entry to be the most technically impressive.  Admittedly it didn't get the 1st highest technical score, but that was because we felt like Nick Durron's technical work was so close to perfection, even if it wasn't as ambitious, this gave it a slight edge.

It's unfortunate that you felt the need to resort to insults.  We loved your film but all three judges concluded that we couldn't justify a higher concept score for it (though I had pushed for a slightly higher one).  We knew you would take offense to a largely positive, but mixed opinion of your film, because you have in the past, but I'd hoped if we were honest enough about the fact that we were impressed with your entry maybe we could avoid being cursed at.  I guess not.

-Sméagol, whose horse is THOROUGHLY OFFENDED

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Whoa, my signature is correct. mini/eek

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Hey, some of these people put a lot of work into their entries, if they want to offer a bit of constructive criticism that's fine by me, and sort of expected.  As long as it's not, you know, misinterpreting something I said and then insulting me for it.

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The openness of that statement makes me think of all the humorous things your sig could be, Realbrick.

Just a quick question, will we be using Youtube to promote the next BiM contest? Did we get many entrants drawn solely by it?

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I think it did draw a decent group of entrants we wouldn't have gotten otherwise, yes.  So we'll probably have a YouTube component in the next summer contest.

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Can you tell us if BiM 2011's theme will be as challenging as this years?

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This was pretty much a one-time thing as far as having a theme this "out there," because we wanted to try to challenge people with a theme that would force creativity.

Though we haven't decided on next year's theme for certain yet, I'm confident it'll be a lot less controversial than this one.  mini/wink

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When do you plan on the 2011 contest being annouced?

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Sméagol wrote:

Haven't decided when the next Summer contest will be announced.  I've heard both sides of the argument and am currently leaning toward November, with a YouTube announcement in February or March.

Haven't really worked too much out yet, plus there's still the possibility of a smaller contest in September to get figured out.

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Alrighty

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Sméagol wrote:

Can't say the idea of a long entry period appeals to me.  It's good that people are giving feedback on how they think this system could be improved.  I seriously don't mean to attack you/your entry (fallentomato) but I'll try to be thorough in explaining why I don't like the idea of a longer entry period.

I appreciate that. Your analysis of my double-dipping is pretty much spot on. I turned my Avant Garde concept into a commercial to fit the Mofilm requirements (and didn't realize I broke a rule there oops! mini/shifty ) but I probably wouldn't have made it at all if the Mofilm contest hadn't popped up, the Avant Garde contest alone didn't have enough incentives for me. But I know I 'm a pretty unique case, I already have enough projects to fill the next two years in some stage of production, so unless I can find a way to shoe-horn one in or there's a really goo incentive, I'll probably just stick to my own schedule.

I guess I think about the annual theme more like a film festival than a contest, where months long submissions periods are more common. But I see your points. I'm just trying to think of other ideas of how you could increase both the quality and quantity of submissions, since you expressed dismay with both. Perhaps you could to a tiered deadline system, where people submit rough cuts one month and get feedback and from the community and then revise for a second deadline. And people who miss the first deadline could still submit to the second one? That sounds kind of crazy, reading it back, but I'm just brainstorming. (Picture a tiny raincloud over my head)