Topic: Hatred

Hey guys, I have been considering coming back to animation for awhile and well, it looks like I finally am. After slaving away for 48 hours on a film that I didn't complete in time for THAC, it really got me back into the animation mood. Which brings me to my next project, Hatred which is the working title, but I'm not sure if I'm gonna keep it yet.

I just completed the first draft, and it's 15 pages long. Yikes, right? I'm gonna take a chainsaw to it and try to cut it down to more around 10 or 11 pages. At any rate, I really don't want the video being over 10mins long, and I believe with its pacing, it may already be on track to be that length as is...nevertheless, I want to make sure it's as clean as possible.

Hatred is the story of a young woman, Fia, who is at the end of her rope. She is in her late teens and has been deemed a menace to society. Now, the 20-something-ith doctor she is seeing, is her last hope before the court condemns her to either a mental hospital or jail. This doctor, Sonya, has a secret up her sleeve. A simple, bare room that erases hatred by having the person inside enter their own mind. Fia is special, however. And that throws things for a loop.

I am surprised I was able to summarize my story. It's not fancy, but I used to be awful with that. Anywho my goals going into this project were:

-Have an all, or mostly, female cast.
-Not have that female cast talk about men, or boys, or anything stereotypical like that. Their dialog is plot-driven.
-Display animation that I have personally never achieved. My most complex stuff yet.
-Have a story with heart and meaning
-Stay under 10mins.
-Keep the audience engaged from the beginning to the end. Target audience was Youtube viewers in general, which have short attention spans, but I believe the way I kick it off should keep them watching. Otherwise, I am sure the community will enjoy it. 

Anywho, there are two female leads, one supporting female and one supporting male.

I made this thread to post updates on the production. My goal is to be finished with it within a month or two. It's surprisingly not complicated set wise as it is animation wise. But I am going to be aggressive with the set, cinematography and animation.

Comments? Questions? Concerns? Encouragement? Praise? Love? Hatred? Tell me your thoughts!

Cheers!

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After seeing your atHAC film, I am deeply interested in what you have cooking next! The story seems nice, but don't let attention spans get to your creativity. If you feel you need to start cutting things out (that are important to the story) to fit the average YouTube viewer, I urge you not to! Please, let your mind go crazy and put out a darn good film. Not saying to make a 20+ minute film or anything for the heck of it, just keep it in accordance to the pacing of the film. Good luck!

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Looks interesting! It's always good to have a new production thread to follow. mini/tongue

Scypax wrote:

-Have an all, or mostly, female cast.
-Not have that female cast talk about men, or boys, or anything stereotypical like that. Their dialog is plot-driven.

I admire that you want to make the female role more prominent in your film, but that second point... It's not bad, I understand that in most TV shows and movies that the females usually talk about the men main characters more than anything else, but there is definitely nothing wrong with talking about " men, or boys, or anything stereotypical like that". What I'm trying to say is, don't purposefully avoid a conversation just because it mentions a man. I just think that sometimes people go a little too far and completely ignore that men exist (which I know you obviously won't, because there is a supporting actor that's a man).

I don't want to start a heated debate or anything, that's just the way I see it. mini/wink

I am looking forward to this film though! Can't wait to see more updates on it. mini/smile

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Gentry, yeah I mean if I feel something is important to the plot or even the characters, I will not cut it out. I had to sit myself down when writing the story and ask myself "What kind of film do I want?". I knew what I wanted story/message wise...but the presentation. I figured I would try to get the best of both worlds by having it open in chaos to hook the audience, to give them questions...then answer them as the plot plays out. Meanwhile, hopefully, they connect to the characters. Thus when it makes a full circle, the situation is not only interesting, but now we care what happens! I decided I wanted to get to the point as quickly as possible, but I also don't want the viewer to be completely confused...though I intend open interpretation. Thank for the encouragement!


Rio, I think what I said came off stronger than what I meant! Haha. Yeah, my writing won't be awkwardly avoiding men at all cost or something like that. I mean, not all female characters are driven by the subject of men. I mean even some male characters can't stop thinking about girls! It depends on the story.

Nevertheless, it is sometimes an almost subconscious decision in Hollywood these days, or even in the community, to have the one girl character focusing, at least part of the time, on a guy. Be it a lover or a brother. Somewhere they are dependent. Again not always and even I am generalizing the preexisting generalization, but it is common. It is also uncommon to have a female lead unless it's a romance or she is somehow in a fantasized situation. Again. Not always. It's just the way it is a lot of the time.

For this film, I do not attend on shoving men or starting yet enough gender war. The point is equality. When writing the story I was not thinking of the women as women, but people. Individuals. A character with wants, needs and faults. A person. Much like how I would write any male character. Most of mine personally are troubled and flawed. Confused. Of course the plots call for it. Why shouldn't the same standard, at least in my writing, be held for women? I get what you were saying and I agree! I just felt the need to express myself.  Thank you for your encouragement!

P.S. I am just as guilty making the lady character more like a plot point in my films. For example, my THAC film. It just happens that way...because society. Lol.

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Scypax, after the curious Button, I'm really glad to anticipate what you have in store.  I like how this story, like the last one, has a person who seems to be in search of something missing, and is an urban fantasy.  It must be your strongest/ must favorite area.  For us, it means another great animation!

As for a 15-page script, for me something that short would be a dream!  I agree with Gentry studios that the film should be as long as it needs for YOU to tell the story well, and not worry about the viewing community.  If it's good, people who start to watch will do so all the way through.

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Thank you Holding. It is my favorite area haha. Thank you for the kind words.

As for the script, a small update. One revision has been made that flushes out the lore and characters a bit more...and is now pushing 19 pages! Yay!

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Holy cow dude, by all means, go for it! Your latest film is one of my biggest brickfilm inspirations to date, and I'm sure an even longer film with a more complicated storyline would inspire me no less! As said by others, the idea of a mostly female cast is interesting, and blended with the very intriguing storyline it sounds like this could make for a very unique brickfilm! I 100 percent support you on this man, super glad to see you back at it!

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Hey guys! Thanks again for the support, I'm really feeling the love!

A quick update. One, the third revision of the script has been completed. It is now 22 pages long. I expect to revise it a couple of more times. I am actually working on it with a good writer friend of mine who has helped out a lot with pointing me in the right direction to flush out the characters/plot more...maybe that's why it keeps getting longer lol.

Two, here is an early peak at the "cast" of Hatred

https://scontent-b-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t31.0-8/10896365_841857075871197_4927108642199646186_o.jpg

Three, the film's title most likely will be changed, and will be announced closer to the release for reasons of my own. mini/wink *que mysterious music*

Four, I am going to begin designing the sets. And when I say sets I mean set as I am only able to do one at a time haha! So pictures and more...coming your way!

Five - In the last two revisions, I've added a boat load of micro-characters that are very important to the plot. I totally will need voice actors for them.

Questions? Comments? Concerns? Love? Hatred? Continue to feel free to share!

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Nice ensemble there.  Is there a reason that most are in black and not very colorful outfits?

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HoldingOurOwn,

An interesting but good question. My "costume design" has been generally gloomy for my more serious pieces to sort of match the tone of the film. I tend to do so specifically as far as what the character's job is in the story.

The first one, to the far left, is Sonya. She's a very professional, discounted, psychiatrist type who is cold. There is a flare to her, however, hint the green tie and fancy vest.

To her right, Liam, is her assistant. I won't disclose much on him, but he's very sure of himself and the job he has been given. Not that Sonya isn't, but there is a difference we will see in the film. Clearly he is also very professional.

Fia, to Liam's right, is the main character and the center of the overall story. She is a rebellious type, with the leather jacket. Again, there is more to her...and I liked how the black leather jacket covered her light shirt underneath.

And then there's the lady all the way to the right. That's all I will disclose on her, for SPOILERS. 


Of course I was working with what I had. More color could be added...but because it could doesn't mean it should. mini/wink But I hope that sheds a little light on why I have my choices the way they are.

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I liked how the curious button was somber yet had some real comic moments, and at the right moments!

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Haha, not to worry. Hatred has a couple of funny moments. Keep in mind that the title Hatred is now just a working title. The new will be announce closer to the release date. I also plan on a short trailer to introduce the title in a cryptic way. (I mean the trailer is not just for the title of course, I'm just saying).

Anywho, it takes itself just about as seriously as A Most Curious Button did. I've learned in the past, especially when dealing with Lego, these things can't take themselves too seriously...at least not all the time. I really like having fun with the medium which I plan on doing with a lot of the complicated animation sequences in this one.

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Wow, I have been working on a "story" for a brickfilm that I thought was long. Mine is about 1/22 of the length of yours. mini/eek Seriously though, this looks like it is going to be a good story. Great design on the minifigures.

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Haha thank you. This morning I decided to be productive and design all the characters. There are 17 total. Three leads, one supporting, 4 minor and 9 ensemble. Here's a first look picture of them...not good quality, took it on my phone.

https://scontent-a-sea.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10924810_843952518994986_694677106338024373_n.jpg?oh=683565f58eb3b527710bdb3ee472234a&oe=552C8DCD

I changed the design of Liam's face, the man to the middle girl's (Fia's) right.

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Scypax wrote:

the man to the middle girl's (Fia's) right.

Do you mean to the right of the middle girl, or the middle girl's left? because the man to the right of the middle girl looks like a woman to me. I think it's the lipstick.

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I think Scypax meant the guy who now has a beard.

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Yes what Riv said haha. The guy with the beard. Sorry dunno how I managed to explain it so confusingly.:)

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Following this thread intently.  I love the development.  Maybe you can start a tumblr page to document your progress in pictures!

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I've never had a tumblr but I could look into it. Anywho, another update...THE FIRST SET HAS BEEN BUILT...Or at least, sort of.

I still need to finalize some of the color choices and CLEAN my bricks. As I do have very old bricks haha. I just wanted to get this concept out of my head as quickly as possible. I plan on adding a few more details.

But to give you all a gist, here's a few snapshots. I spent a few hours on it, and while it's not perfect, it's one of the most interesting (I feel) that I've built.

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P.S. Yes I designed my own door...mainly because apparently I no longer own a Lego door. Or much brick for that matter, so I had to get really fancy with what I had haha.

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Interesting, I like the irregular window, and the decorative plants in the arches, those kinds of touches aren't often seen.

When observed as a whole, it has the feeling of "I have a few of these parts handy, where can I throw them in?"
Here are some examples:
The slopes in the wall in the second picture may look better facing each other as the inverted ones are in the first picture.
I'm not sure if the yellow studs are lights, or just for looks, but right now they seem a bit plain. Perhaps adding one of these, or some more of a "light fixture" type thing would clarify their function.

May I ask why the table is built as it is? With the two ends longer brown tiles, but the center not?
The door looks very much like just more of the wall, if you like that, great. If you're wanting a different solution, there are a ton of other ways to build one.

I know, I'm getting nitpicky on something that is just a concept.
Hope it doesn't come off as harsh, as it's designed to help, not hurt. mini/wink