Topic: Best way to do back drops, like, best effect for dollars?

One of my weak points in brick filming is creating a believable backdrop.  My first flick didn't even have a backdrop (you can see my desk and monitor), the second flick was intentionally indoors to avoid the issue and my third flick didn't have a backdrop (more desk and monitor).

How do I fix this?  I want believeable backdrops.  I know some people use blue cardboard for sky.  Is it that simple?  Other people use white cardboard and shine different coloured lights to get a gradient sky.  That is beyond my means for the moment.

I've never done green-screens so I'm not confident I can do that either.

I'm guessing I should just get some blue card and practice.  Are there other techniques I should consider?

My next project has a back yard.  Trees, plants, flowers.  All that can be done in lego - but the backyard will need a horizon and a sky.  Do I put a green base plate in front of a blue card "wall"?  Can I add some lighting to bring that to life?  I have three desk lamps total.  If I use two lamps for the "set" can I somehow use the third lamp to add some realism to the background?

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Re: Best way to do back drops, like, best effect for dollars?

Sky blue construction paper works great, since it's more textured and doesn't reflect light as much as some other materials. The key to making a backdrop look good is leaving it really out of focus, and spending a lot of time playing around with lighting until you get a quality that looks realistic. You should also pay attention to shadows, which is something I personally haven't done very well in the past.

Re: Best way to do back drops, like, best effect for dollars?

I strongly recommend using a white backdrop, could be a wall in your house or a sheet of foam board, a strong light (maybe a 250 or 500 watt shop light and colored filters (I personally recommend this pack) but even just a cheap set of gels should do the trick. It helps to get the set as far from the backdrop as possible so nothing reflects onto the set 2 to 4 feet should do nicely. If you are using a DSLR (which I know you don't but others might find this useful) the longer the lens you use, the smaller the backdrop needs to be, also using longer lenses helps create a better sense of scale for wide shots while a wide angle lens like a webcam will require you to have a much larger backdrop the further your set is from it and the sense of scale will end up looking smaller.

I recommend trying combination of two gels so the sky has more of a gradient. Keep in mind any time you cover a light with a gel you loose about 1/3 of the brightness of the light, which is why you want a much brighter light for your backdrops then your sets.

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A white wall several feet from my set

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3696/10811390303_9531f924f0_z.jpg
A 2x3 feet piece of foam core + a long lens

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2861/11165198826_8a8bdaca92_z.jpg
Same 2x3 foot poster board also with a long lens

Re: Best way to do back drops, like, best effect for dollars?

I usually use light blue poster board.  It's inexpensive, easy to use, and can look pretty good.  Just tape it to the wall behind your set.

Re: Best way to do back drops, like, best effect for dollars?

I reccommend poster board. I use it all the time. In my opinion, you should never use a blue baseplate for the sky. It's ugly, and in-focus and doesn't give the illusin that there is more to your LEGO world that the set itself. Poster board can come in may different colors, so you can have one for any occasion. The tree main colors you should get if you don't want to buy a boatload of posterboard is Green, Blue, White, and Black. Green for chroma-key, Blue for sky and chroma key, white for things that require white backdrops like dream sequences, and black for night time. You can also paint white spots on the posterboard to make stars if you want. Alternatively, you can use foam board, which will stand up better, but it's harder to get in more colors than black and white. The thing about using backdrops though, is that you MUST cover up the horizon line or it will kill your effect of there being "more out there", and you may as well use blue baseplates for the sky.

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Re: Best way to do back drops, like, best effect for dollars?

I used to use blue poster board and it worked fine. But it isn't huge and I wanted something bigger so I hung up a piece of cloth behind my set which is really cool becas you can put some different coloured lights behind it and make some really cool skies.[ I have a pic of it in my magazine if you want to see what I mean]

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Re: Best way to do back drops, like, best effect for dollars?

osomstudios wrote:

[ I have a pic of it in my magazine if you want to see what I mean]

It might help to have a link to your magazine so we can see what you mean. mini/wink

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Re: Best way to do back drops, like, best effect for dollars?

Oh thanks didn't think of that. Here is a link https://www.scribd.com/doc/231630080/Lego-Animation-101 its on page 19 its not a great pic but I hope it helps. Also heres a link to a thread that I made a wile back about this so you can see the answers I got http://www.bricksinmotion.com/forums/to … ckgrounds/ .

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Re: Best way to do back drops, like, best effect for dollars?

SlothPaladin wrote:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4110/4952304285_f54e4828df_z.jpg
A white wall several feet from my set

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3696/10811390303_9531f924f0_z.jpg
A 2x3 feet piece of foam core + a long lens

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2861/11165198826_8a8bdaca92_z.jpg
Same 2x3 foot poster board also with a long lens

Wow! Those results tho......

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Re: Best way to do back drops, like, best effect for dollars?

Blue matte posterboard.

The key to it would be lighting without any glare, and making it evenly lit.

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Re: Best way to do back drops, like, best effect for dollars?

Thanks guys.  I'm going to experiment with a blue sheet and blue card and see what looks better.  I'm guessing the card might be too shiny (even if matte).  I can't get the board 2 feet away but it should be about 1 foot - which is better than hard up against the set, so I'll work it that way.

I'll post up test shots when I get that sorted.  Thanks!  mini/smile

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Re: Best way to do back drops, like, best effect for dollars?

SlothPaladin wrote:

I strongly recommend using a white backdrop, could be a wall in your house or a sheet of foam board, a strong light (maybe a 250 or 500 watt shop light and colored filters (I personally recommend this pack) but even just a cheap set of gels should do the trick. It helps to get the set as far from the backdrop as possible so nothing reflects onto the set 2 to 4 feet should do nicely.

Just wondering, where would you be able to get such bright lights, and for what price?  Also, wouldn't lamps with such an output get pretty hot?

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Re: Best way to do back drops, like, best effect for dollars?

It's probably too hot for gels, but on amazon there's duely 1000 watt shop light that comes with a decent stand for like 35 bucks. It got decent reviews. http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0002YW2C … amp;sr=8-2

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Re: Best way to do back drops, like, best effect for dollars?

Way back in the day, I was experimenting with using my computer monitor as a backdrop. It's self-lit, and adds ambient light to the set and to your shot. The only trouble is that your bulbs that light the rest of the set need to match the color balance of the shot on the monitor, or you'll need to do a very heavy grade on it later. The cheapest and most versatile option that I've found so far...

Re: Best way to do back drops, like, best effect for dollars?

Gentrystudios wrote:

It's probably too hot for gels...

gels do not melt or burn, you can use them on lights with more than 1k watts, a shop light was what I had in mind for a cheap option.

Re: Best way to do back drops, like, best effect for dollars?

Bought a gigantic piece of blue cloth on a market one day for use as a bluescreen, it didn't work very well, when i started brickfilming i cut some of it to use as a backdrop. Works pretty well and is cheap as heck.

For photographing Lego you could always take two A3-sized papers, put one against a wall and the other on a table next to the wall, then add some lights to it and photograph from there. Works good too.

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Re: Best way to do back drops, like, best effect for dollars?

SlothPaladin wrote:
Gentrystudios wrote:

It's probably too hot for gels...

gels do not melt or burn, you can use them on lights with more than 1k watts, a shop light was what I had in mind for a cheap option.

Haha you can tell I have little (basically no) experience with light gels:)

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