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We all have free speech.
But we all must use it responsibility.
I persoanlly don't want to watch such brickfilms, nor do I want to make them.  It's almost always unnecessary, and why do something unnecessary when you know there's a whole segment of audience that won't watch it because of it.

I agree, there is almost no time in which a Lego movie can use profane language in an appropriate way.

I also try to back everything I do with scripture, and if what I do contradicts the Bible, then I shouldn't be doing it. So when it comes to cussing and the like, I find no where in scripture to back it; on the contrary, the Bible condemns the use of profane language.

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Re: Language in brickfilms

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and why do something unnecessary when you know there's a whole segment of audience that won't watch it because of it.

Because some people want to make art rather than give in and conform to what's socially acceptable.

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Re: Language in brickfilms

GEF wrote:
HoldingOurOwn wrote:

We all have free speech.
But we all must use it responsibility.
I persoanlly don't want to watch such brickfilms, nor do I want to make them.  It's almost always unnecessary, and why do something unnecessary when you know there's a whole segment of audience that won't watch it because of it.

I agree, there is almost no time in which a Lego movie can use profane language in an appropriate way.

I also try to back everything I do with scripture, and if what I do contradicts the Bible, then I shouldn't be doing it. So when it comes to cussing and the like, I find no where in scripture to back it; on the contrary, the Bible condemns the use of profane language.

"Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers." Ephesians 4:29.

I completely agree-- back everything you make and do with the Bible. I hate it when people ruin brickfilms with language.

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Re: Language in brickfilms

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HoldingOurOwn wrote:

and why do something unnecessary when you know there's a whole segment of audience that won't watch it because of it.

Because some people want to make art rather than give in and conform to what's socially acceptable.

It would be huge stretch to claim most bad language in brickfilms is "art"...

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Re: Language in brickfilms

jstudios wrote:
HoldingOurOwn wrote:

and why do something unnecessary when you know there's a whole segment of audience that won't watch it because of it.

Because some people want to make art rather than give in and conform to what's socially acceptable.

So are you saying that because I write the way I do, it's not art?  Really?

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No, I'm saying that not allowing people to write certain ways is censorship of art.

EDIT - FM I was talking more about the general use of controversial topics in movies/games/books as a whole, not just in brickfilms.

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Agreed. LEGO is a kids toy, and even tough LEGO does make themes that do swear (E.G. STAR WARS sometimes, Marvle, Harry Potter) still dose not mean that you should.

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Re: Language in brickfilms

jstudios wrote:

No, I'm saying that not allowing people to write certain ways is censorship of art.

Well, then, you didn't actually read everything I said in that post because even though you quoted and repsonded to the part where I said, "and why do something unnecessary when you know there's a whole segment of audience that won't watch it because of it", I also said that we all have free speech.  In no way was anyone here talking about preventing someone from making their films the way they wish.

Aside from this, networks like ABC and NBC have enforced forms of censorship unrelated to obscenity and some of the reasons are far more absurd.

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I wasn't saying that you were endorsing censorship, I was just disagreeing with the notion that artists should change what they're making just because it might make some people uncomfortable.
The fact of the matter is you can't please everyone, and this is sort of straying from the topics of brickfilms but, if you're making a piece of high art that's supposed to be deep and meaningful, you shouldn't be thinking 'maybe i'll subdue this because some people might find that a bit extreme' because then you're not making art really. You're not expressing your true feelings about what you're writing/directing/etc. Censoring yourself because of social norms is when art begins to become more of a business.

But that's just my opinion I dunno.

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Re: Language in brickfilms

My main problems in brickfilms that use language is how it's used. For instance, a lot of brickfilms that have swearing in them seem to be trying to be "cool" like Forrestfire and Keshen8 and have lots of profanity and violence in them.

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I think we should do what everybody else thinks we should do.

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Here is an example of swearing used in the wrong way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1PH431oaDA

I am guessing that the kid who made this (he sounds like a kid), presumed this would be funny because of similar stuff he had seen. This is probably a good example of people think that since other films use these words, its cool/funny to use them themselves. This is just sad to me and I think that this is a good reason to limit swearing, especially in a brickfilm. Honestly, I didn't think this video was funny.

Anyways, that's just my two cents.  The people who like to use profane langue will just use profane langue and there is not much I can do about it. mini/blankexpression

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Re: Language in brickfilms

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Here is an example of swearing used in the wrong way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1PH431oaDA

Ok, that brickfilm is dark. The kid sounded no older than five.

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Re: Language in brickfilms

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PushOverProductions wrote:

Here is an example of swearing used in the wrong way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1PH431oaDA

Ok, that brickfilm is dark. The kid sounded no older than five.

Or the filtered voice of a 12 year old who was whispering into his mic so his mommy didn't hear him say no-no words. Either one wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. A lot of people who start out brickfilming are pretty young, and at that young and reckless age, they'll do a lot of weird stuff they think is funny.

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Re: Language in brickfilms

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(E.G. STAR WARS sometimes

There's swearing in Star Wars? I've seen all the movies (sadly, this includes the prequels) and never heard one swear word.

Anyways, my thoughts have already been shared. True, some people might enjoy watching a naughty brickfilm with swears. But really honestly, I believe that brickfilms can do without. I mean, look at all the great brickfilms that have been made without swear words.

And, on the subject of that "video", that's just sad. It's stuff like that that I just can't help but facepalm at. And the video description just adds on the heap.

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Re: Language in brickfilms

I keep misinterpreting the title of this topic to mean something with foreign languages. mini/sad

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Re: Language in brickfilms

I for one don't see much of a problem with language in brickfilms, as long as it serves a justifiable purpose.

Frankly, I do not believe (in the majority of instances) that you should mould your art to the ideals and dictated sensibilities of specific groups. Create your desired content to best of your ability, make it how you intended and don't necessarily appropriate or subdue it because it causes minor offence to some individuals.

Whilst I can understand some people's apprehension of vulgarity in brickfilms (which in itself is perfectly fine), the labelling of swearing in other people's animations as 'unnecessary' and 'unacceptable' is plain silly.

The blanket attitude of being unable to appreciate a brickfilm as a whole because of the insignificant occurrence of some rude words is foolish.

To end, I can describe this discussion with one little word:
Petty.

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Carousel wrote:

Petty.

Honestly, It seems to me you are quick to say that about every topic/post like this. mini/blankexpression

Carousel wrote:

Whilst I can understand some people's apprehension of vulgarity in brickfilms (which in itself is perfectly fine), the labelling of swearing in other people's animations as 'unnecessary' and 'unacceptable' is plain silly.

We all have opinions, and we all have the right to share them. Nobody is calling each other names or pointing fingers. I think you are being kind of petty, you just stated your opinion (as if it was the one, ultimate opinion), and now you want everybody to just stop posting and end the topic. (Please correct me if I am wrong, but it really came off like that)

So.....ya, That's just.....you know.....

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Re: Language in brickfilms

Carousel wrote:

To end, I can confidently describe this whole discussion with one little word:
Petty.

I wouldn't call it petty.

We all have different opinions on this topic. I feel we got some interesting thoughts from several different viewpoints. I think it gives us a better understanding of everyone's opinions, at least it does for me. That is something that can help us grow as a community.

(Even if we have gone over this topic quite a bit in the past!)

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Re: Language in brickfilms

This discussion is a very interesting one because when it all boils down, the presence of language depends on the maker's comfort in including the word, the actor's comfort with saying the word, and most importantly, the necessity of the word in the film. It mostly depends on approach and genre, but the presence of swearing can also depend on how the maker of the film views his work. Some people see brickfilming as a way of expressing more light and cheerful stories and often treat the presence of LEGO as a fact of the film. They choose to for the characters to acknowledge the fact they are plastic like in Henri and Edmund or even Red Eye, often using it as a humor point, and in this case, refusing to use or avoid what I refer to "The Big Three" (These would be Violence, Language, and Sexual Topics)
  Whereas a film maker may also try to use the LEGO as a medium of creating darker and more "serious" films, this creator may refuse to acknowledge the characters being LEGO and freely moves about with little regard to what is considered offensive. In this case, the character may use some or all of the big three.
  These attributes to work are not locked and may be mixed to create some interesting or in some cases, shocking works. Imagine a film that acknowledges the characters being LEGO, but still incorporates the big three, and I haven't even mentioned the use of the big three for comedy purposes.
  When cut down, use Language, Violence, or even Sexual Topics as you see fitting for your film, you can acknowledge the toy and exploit it, or pretend they're actors, it's your decision.

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