Topic: Can brickfilming become a practical type of film making in the future

Hello everyone so I recently came across this idea for a question and I want to know what your answers would be:
Do you see brickfilming becoming a practical type of film making (or lego becoming a practical medium) for larger scale films such as feature length and even Tv shows? or do you see it being stuck as the animated comedic childrens toys for the rest of time? also what about money making Webseries, in store DVD's and even making it to movie theaters?

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Re: Can brickfilming become a practical type of film making in the future

By what do you mean "stuck"? Brickfilming isn't stuck anywhere. It's merely a hobby for people who want to move on to making films in the future or taking a film course at university.

If you want a LEGO film to go to the cinemas, there is that Warner Brothers thing. But, I heard that's only gonna be some CGI trash or whatever. I do hope they will get some animated brickfilms into the cinema. But, for now, we'll have to enjoy the pleasure of watching them on the Web.

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Technically there is a brickfilm sold exclusively on DVD, Jericho, and Robot Chicken has done two sketches (that I'm aware of) animated with LEGO; so it's happened! mini/tongue For brickfilming to jump to the silver screen, it's going to have to be financed and "produced" (probably using a major studio such as Warner Bros.) by The LEGO Group, they would never let anyone else do it. At least right now I can't see that happening any time in the near future, despite the recent increase in support for the brickfilming community. Perhaps if The LEGO Movie, which has some really big names such as Will Ferrell and Morgan Freeman, does well, we'll see a stop motion animated film a long way off. I don't hold high hopes, though, because LEGO has always been more of a fan of CG animation which allows a wider range of movement, better facial expression and is WAY CHEAPER.

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I would love it if LEGO were to make a feature length brickfilm with stop-motion.  I'd want to be a part of that.

It's not entirely practical, but there would be some advantages.  It would probably be best if they used stop motion for everything but the faces and leave them to some special effects people to animate faces.

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Or they could use the Robot Chicken/Donald Faison method, paper, stick on mouths for mouth movement, I've tried it and it can be pretty effective.

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Only thing is, if brickfilms did become a type of film making in the future then it would all have to be official films for the Lego company. I doubt you'd be able to make independent films because of copyright laws, so pretty much all brickfilms would have to be kid-friendly or whatever.

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Meh... While it would be cool to see an official feature-length brickfilm, I think it would kinda crush some of us brickfilmers (namely smaller brickfilmers like me), making us (me) look even worse than before.

And, as stated above, it could cause some copyright issues... I think it's best that brickfilming stays a casual hobby than someone's life's work. mini/tongue

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Only thing is, if brickfilms did become a type of film making in the future then it would all have to be official films for the Lego company. I doubt you'd be able to make independent films because of copyright laws, so pretty much all brickfilms would have to be kid-friendly or whatever.


Jonjar, I think people could get away with it as a medium without having to deal with copyright issues because if you think about it, its no different than using Clay and having to pay the clay company for copyright issues. altho then again you have a valid point because it is damn easy to tell that it is lego.

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I think you'd be able to get away with it if the film only had a small release, like it only plays in one theater for a week, or goes to DVD or the internet. If you went the route of other indie movies and tried to get it released wider, the LEGO company would probably start taking issue with that.

LEGO seems to have definitely gotten less strict about their policy on derivative works. Before, you couldn't make anything related to LEGO without getting a cease and desist that wasn't a model. I think once they realized that, in this day and age, it would be impossible to control everything LEGO related, like brickfilms, so the appear to be more lax about it.

So ya, you'd probably be able to get away with it until you started getting world wide theater releases. Probably.

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jstudios wrote:

Only thing is, if brickfilms did become a type of film making in the future then it would all have to be official films for the Lego company. I doubt you'd be able to make independent films because of copyright laws, so pretty much all brickfilms would have to be kid-friendly or whatever.


Jonjar, I think people could get away with it as a medium without having to deal with copyright issues because if you think about it, its no different than using Clay and having to pay the clay company for copyright issues. altho then again you have a valid point because it is damn easy to tell that it is lego.


LOL the clay company?

I suppose when a film uses a chair they have to ask the chair company for permission too.

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silents429 wrote:
Shutterpoint wrote:
jstudios wrote:

Only thing is, if brickfilms did become a type of film making in the future then it would all have to be official films for the Lego company. I doubt you'd be able to make independent films because of copyright laws, so pretty much all brickfilms would have to be kid-friendly or whatever.


Jonjar, I think people could get away with it as a medium without having to deal with copyright issues because if you think about it, its no different than using Clay and having to pay the clay company for copyright issues. altho then again you have a valid point because it is damn easy to tell that it is lego.


LOL the clay company?

I suppose when a film uses a chair they have to ask the chair company for permission too.

Silents I was just trying to point out how off that sounds, I mean lego is the medium we use so if you think about it as long as we didnt mention the companies name or show the logo or anything you would think you can get away with it legally, but then again its a very specific medium for stop motion so they could use that against people.

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At least in the US I think Shutterpoint has a point. LEGO bricks are a physical invention, so I think they should fit under the realm of patents, not copyrights, and a patent for LEGO (which lasts 20 years) would have expired in the 70's or 80's. As long as you don't show the LEGO logo (which is copy-written) I don't think they could do anything about it legally. No the kicker is that the LEGO name is in fact on every single brick, so they may try to argue that the maker of said film is using their name without permission; I have no idea if that would hold up or not, but I'm sure they would try. No one hold me to any of this, I'm not super versed in legal matters.

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Just on the issue of the copyright stuff, I've looked into that a bit in the past.  Basically, LEGO originally patented the "stud and tube interlocking" design.  The copyright did expire after x amount of time and now all these other companies have used their design (Megablok, Tyco, K'nex, and many others) so LEGO tried to sue them but the courts ruled that the design was too 'general', or something like that, and that LEGO couldn't have exclusive rights to the Stud and Tube etc.
Thing is, even if you had a way to keep from the copyrighted LEGO name from being seen, the minifigure designs are copyrighted.  You know how Megablok figures are very different from LEGO, both being instantly recognizable? That could have some legal problems.

This is just what I remember from reading some stuff about probably a year ago.  So, yeah, don't sue me if I'm wrong.

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I would say the same as JohnDthunDer, the Lego brick could be used in film, saying as Lego lost what you had stated and other brands have the same design .In the old days- 70s, 80, and 90s, you could easily recongise that it is a Lego brick. Now in the present time it would be hard to identify between all these clone brands poping up. At least Lego still has the licence for the minifigure and its elements.

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Well, there are some professional studios that do traditional stop-motion animation (Aardman among them), so it wouldn't be completely unthinkable that LEGO might commission them to make official stop-motion LEGO films.  That being said, with the use of computer animation and cost/difficulty in making a feature-length stop-motion film, I doubt we'll be seeing one.  So, for the foreseeable future, I think it'll just remain as it is--a hobby.

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Just on the issue of the copyright stuff, I've looked into that a bit in the past.  Basically, LEGO originally patented the "stud and tube interlocking" design.  The copyright did expire after x amount of time and now all these other companies have used their design (Megablok, Tyco, K'nex, and many others) so LEGO tried to sue them but the courts ruled that the design was too 'general', or something like that, and that LEGO couldn't have exclusive rights to the Stud and Tube etc.

But what I don't understand is... surely LEGO could just have renewed the patent/license when it ran out? 

As for the knock-off brands, virtually every one I can think of (except maybe K'nex, who to their credit have displayed some originality in their toy designs) have brick designs that are directly compatible with LEGO bricks.  How on earth is that too "general"?

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Re: Can brickfilming become a practical type of film making in the future

I think that was LEGO trying to renew the patent, but the stud and tube design was just the most 'basic' way to make a building toy.  That's what I'm not sure about, exactly why LEGO couldn't keep exclusive rights to said design.
I'll see if I can look at this a little more later, this is going to bug me all day if I'm not sure about this.

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But what I don't understand is... surely LEGO could just have renewed the patent/license when it ran out?

In the United States, and I believe in many other countries as well, copyrights and patents can't be renewed; the are designed to last long enough for the original creator to make money, and then once they are up copyrighted material becomes part of the public domain, and anyone can make and sell a product of a formerly patented design. That's why anyone can sell a recording of jingle bells or make a knock off version of LEGO.

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Re: Can brickfilming become a practical type of film making in the future

Considering the fact that the art of stop-motion is slowly dying I'm gonna say no. We will see quite a few CGI Lego films though.

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Larry Simmons wrote:

Considering the fact that the art of stop-motion is slowly dying I'm gonna say no. We will see quite a few CGI Lego films though.

I don't think it is dying at all, the medium seems to just be moving away from big studio productions and more towards independent efforts. Most big studios don't really see any value in producing an expensive, feature length stop motion film when they could just animate it in 2D or CGI. So I wouldn't say it is slowly dying, I'd say that it is becoming more mainstream, due to the many great independent efforts on the internet.

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