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That looks brilliant!
What program did you use?
Also, is the cape on a dynamic rig?

http://i.imgur.com/lZUQ9.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/9CQIM.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/YZLtR.pnghttp://i.imgur.com/ICcjc.png

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All I'm using Is Blender, and the internal Rendering system. I'm still trying to figure out cycles mini/dizzy

I haven't made a rig for the cape yet but if you have any tips on that I would greatly appreciate that! mini/smile

I haven't come across the term "dynamic rig" yet, what does that mean?

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*stops moping and starts to get ish done*

Coyote Creek, you have motivated me to get working again on my 3d blender brickfilm project.


Lets see what I can dig up to show you fine folks...


Edit:
Here we are...
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/60110924/LEGO%20CGI%20Tests/104.png

Its from a possible upcoming film, entitled The Endeavour.  This sprawling space saga would be broken into 5 or 6 smaller episodes.  What you see here is from the trailer (yet to be released), where the main character is flying into a wall.  It is unfortunate that Cycles is currently lacking motion blur mini/tongue.

Link to picture

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That actually looks really nice. Good job, man. My only problem with it is with the LDraw mini-figure, which I've never really liked anyway. Oh, and the black color might be a little too dark as well.

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Littlebrick wrote:

That actually looks really nice. Good job, man. My only problem with it is with the LDraw mini-figure, which I've never really liked anyway. Oh, and the black color might be a little too dark as well.


Mind if I ask what is the problem you see with the mini-figs?  I'm always looking for a way to improve mini/smile

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My Maelstrom Rhino:

http://i49.tinypic.com/r86ut1.png
Just a quick render to test materials. All the bricks are from LeoCAD.

EDIT:

Just messin' around with over a million vertices and a little compositing.

http://i46.tinypic.com/5fq350.png

ANOTHER EDIT: I like more than a million vertices. mini/love

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Wingman_mn wrote:
Littlebrick wrote:

That actually looks really nice. Good job, man. My only problem with it is with the LDraw mini-figure, which I've never really liked anyway. Oh, and the black color might be a little too dark as well.

Mind if I ask what is the problem you see with the mini-figs?  I'm always looking for a way to improve mini/smile

I'm assuming you used the LDraw mini-figure here, and it's the LDraw figures I've got a problem with. The hands and head aren't proportionally correct, and the whole thing in general is a nightmare to work with if you want something smooth AND accurate working. Hairpieces are a big problem here, because it seems they're all hand-modeled.

I've been thinking about scanning my own LEGO pieces, but I find myself lacking a line laser (one of these). If someone does have a line laser and a good webcam, and would love to try some 3D scanning, here's a website you might want to take a look at. If someone were to get some high-quality scans and upload them for everyone to use, I would love them forever.

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Littlebrick wrote:
Wingman_mn wrote:
Littlebrick wrote:

That actually looks really nice. Good job, man. My only problem with it is with the LDraw mini-figure, which I've never really liked anyway. Oh, and the black color might be a little too dark as well.

Mind if I ask what is the problem you see with the mini-figs?  I'm always looking for a way to improve mini/smile

I'm assuming you used the LDraw mini-figure here, and it's the LDraw figures I've got a problem with. The hands and head aren't proportionally correct, and the whole thing in general is a nightmare to work with if you want something smooth AND accurate working. Hairpieces are a big problem here, because it seems they're all hand-modeled.

I've been thinking about scanning my own LEGO pieces, but I find myself lacking a line laser (one of these). If someone does have a line laser and a good webcam, and would love to try some 3D scanning, here's a website you might want to take a look at. If someone were to get some high-quality scans and upload them for everyone to use, I would love them forever.

Hmmm... That would be pretty awesome if someone could do that, but if you want something done you have to do it yourself mini/wink. It did a quick google search on like on how to make a home made 3d laser scanner but I don't think that you could get enough detail from a homemade scanner... I don't want to say its impossible but it would be difficult.  Personally speaking of my model in particular, i have to totally re-model the arms, and the head, and the the hands... Never mind I basically remodeled the whole dang thing mini/tongue. But I could never get the hair to have the 'swoosh' that real Lego hair has... Oh well.  For a first film I say it will do but I would agree with I not being 100% accurate.

Thanks for the feed back by the way.


@Rusty
For those 'million' vert models, did you make them yourself or did you have a script build them?  They look really cool!

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I'd think you'd be able to get enough detail from a scan that you could use as a base to model a cleaner, more proportionally correct piece.

There's a way to do the 3D scanning using a thin shadow instead of a laser which I might try tomorrow. It doesn't yield as good of a result as a laser would, but I'm mostly going for proportions anyway. If I can get those, the rest should be cake.

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Or get a 3D screenshot off of LDD.  Don't have to wait for LDRAW to update their libraries to match LDD's.  Did it to get the hair pieces for Dark Knight Wises.

https://i.imgur.com/4b9NnS3.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/GUIl0qk.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/ox64uld.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/v3iyhE5.png

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I think you might have to explain just how you do that...

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https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Ts4VzxOe9I8/T_38DL2AGMI/AAAAAAAAAss/0JMRTgi7F_I/s1200/Blue2.jpg

not lego related, but still... 3ds max for the win.,.....

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Littlebrick wrote:

I think you might have to explain just how you do that...

I used 3DVIA Printscreen to capture 3D objects displayed on my screen (some people use it to capture models off computer games, In my case, LDD with all the parts I needed that wasn't in LDraw). It captures the scene and saves it into an 3DXML file.  I then had to use KoichiSenada 3dsMax converter and an old version of 3dsMax to import the 3DXML file.  The KoichiSenada is a plugin, fyi, and its functionality is limited based on which 3dsMax version you use (2009 64-bit worked for me).  The rest involved deleting elements I didn't need, like background, planes and whatnots.  I exported the remainder of the scene to 3ds and edited the mesh objects in Blender because I'm more comfortable using Blender.

I haven't tested it on the minifig torso, hands, etc.  I should at some point to see how they compare to LDraw's since I did have problems getting the 3D-screen-captured hair pieces to fit right with the head I already had, whose dimensions were derived from LDraw's.

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https://i.imgur.com/4b9NnS3.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/GUIl0qk.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/ox64uld.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/v3iyhE5.png

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What if we built a base library of digital Lego's that the whole community could use?  Perhaps saved as 3ds models so it could be used across multiple programs.  I know we have the LDRAW import method and other methods, but if someone wanted to spend the time to optimize some of the more used bricks and make them production ready, it would streamline the process for people just starting with 3d brickfilming.  It would take a lot of time but the payout for the community would be exponential.

I might give the 3d scanning a try later today after work to see what the results would hold, but if we could get a good basic 3d mini-fig that is proportionally correct, that would be a big step for photo-realism with 3d brickfilming.

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Lechnology wrote:

I used 3DVIA Printscreen to capture 3D objects displayed on my screen (some people use it to capture models off computer games, In my case, LDD with all the parts I needed that wasn't in LDraw). It captures the scene and saves it into an 3DXML file.  I then had to use KoichiSenada 3dsMax converter and an old version of 3dsMax to import the 3DXML file.  The KoichiSenada is a plugin, fyi, and its functionality is limited based on which 3dsMax version you use (2009 64-bit worked for me).  The rest involved deleting elements I didn't need, like background, planes and whatnots.  I exported the remainder of the scene to 3ds and edited the mesh objects in Blender because I'm more comfortable using Blender.

I haven't tested it on the minifig torso, hands, etc.  I should at some point to see how they compare to LDraw's since I did have problems getting the 3D-screen-captured hair pieces to fit right with the head I already had, whose dimensions were derived from LDraw's.

cool! thanks for the info. but where do you get it?

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Wingman_mn wrote:

@Rusty
For those 'million' vert models, did you make them yourself or did you have a script build them?  They look really cool!

I made them myself to practice greebling. mini/bigsmile

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http://rsteenoven.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/kitchen_002.png

A scene I'm working on for a short animation. Still got lots to model, such as stuff on the walls, stuff on the counter, and then to texture it all.

Made in Maya.

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Coyote Creek Films wrote:

cool! thanks for the info. but where do you get it?

Well, what I'm doing bypasses the restrictions of LDD so...you're on your own mini/wink.

https://i.imgur.com/4b9NnS3.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/GUIl0qk.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/ox64uld.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/v3iyhE5.png

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Wingman_mn wrote:

I might give the 3d scanning a try later today after work to see what the results would hold, but if we could get a good basic 3d mini-fig that is proportionally correct, that would be a big step for photo-realism with 3d brickfilming.

They've actually used 3D scanning for some of the LDraw parts, but for one reason or another haven't done it on the mini-figures. Once you get the scans, I'd be glad to work on getting them looking nice, because they're probably not going to look production quality right after you scan them. I'll only be able to do a few, though, since I'll be leaving in August and won't be back for two years.

On a side note, it seems you might need to use MeshLab to merge multiple scans of the same object. This should also be in DAVID, but it might only be the paid version.

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Okay so I got the basic science down behind the whole process but the problem is that I don't really know how to take the video scans from the model and translated them to a digital model, because it seems to me the this MeshLab program is for stitching together multiple scans, not for making the initial scan itself.  Anyone one have any suggestions on what program I would use for that?

EDIT:
Nvm, I found a very helpful video on the subject.  I don't know if I'll actually be able to do this tonight, this upcoming weekend is my city's celebration weekend and my girlfriend is going to be in tonight's parade.  Wish her luck and I will let you guys know what the results are for the scans.

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