Topic: How Do You Make Car Fly Off of a Building and Hit a Helicopter?

Hey, guys! I have this rather complex and rather extreme idea for a really cool sequence of shots for an upcoming project, and I thought I'd ask for some ideas on how this might be done.

This is going to be for my Batman film: "I Am The Night"

So the basic idea here is during a huge Gotham city car chase Batman in his Bat-mobile is pursuing the Joker in his custom car "The Running Gag" during this epic chase, the Running Gag goes into a multilevel parking building and goes up the ramps all the way to its top. There, he doesn't stop properly and skids off of the building spinning around and hits a news chopper trying to film the scene which bursts in a bricksplosion. The the pieces of the chopper fall to the street with the Running Gag intact, which goes along as if nothing just happened.

Yeah, I know, this scene is pretty extreme, but I want to go very far to make this the coolest Bat-Movie ever. I may just not do this, but I think it could be one of the most impressive brickfilm action shots ever made.

So, got any ideas? mini/smile

Here's the list of shots I plan for this:

Shot 1: The Car skids to the edge of the building trying to stop.

Shot 2: From a lower angle looking up to the edge of the building the Running Gag breaks the railing at the top of the building and starts flying and spinning off. (I'll have the railing fall by attaching the pieces to the side of the building with sticky stuff)

Shot 3: The car hits the chopper and it explodes, pieces begin to fall.

Shot 4: The Camera will be fixed onto one side of a rectangular board, on the other side shall be the car, so that the camera is always in the same position relative to the car as the word spins around them. I will move the camera as I take the pictures, giving it a heavy motion blur. It will be so blurry that it will be completely unnecessary to animate falling chopper pieces.

Shot 5: A dolly shot on the street moving backward, the car lands on the street with the pieces from the chopper which bounce some, and the car moves forward.

The most difficult one is probably going to be shot 3, here's a picture of it:
(With Joker scribble xD)
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/225629_260214007326120_100000125687436_1270156_134350_n.jpg
(The Bat-Mobile is substituting the Running Gag here)

Last edited by Squid (July 25, 2011 (06:47am))

Re: How Do You Make Car Fly Off of a Building and Hit a Helicopter?

Masking, and the top of the building almost at ground level. Do you understand? Then when the Running Gag falls to the ground, it's a different set. It might work, and it is probably how I would do it.

Re: How Do You Make Car Fly Off of a Building and Hit a Helicopter?

Well, there's lots of masking involved, obviously. With the car flying off the building while spinning, it has to be spinning while movig forward, right? So, when the car crashes into the helicopter, make the car stop spinning and the helicopter break apart. Both objects should continue to move forward and down. Then, have the chopper pieces fall down, then the car falls and bounces a bit and moves forward on the road.

How to break that up into shots: Car spinning off building, shot of top of building. Car crashing into helicopter, midair shot. Car landing, street shot.

Last edited by minifig051 (July 20, 2011 (11:46am))

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Re: How Do You Make Car Fly Off of a Building and Hit a Helicopter?

MW, I know about masking. ha ha xD
It's just the big problem is keeping the movements steady, especially when you have so many different objects. With the chopper bursting, that's going to be at least a dozen or so separate objects moving and needing to be masked all at once. I'm not sure how you could make it all go properly.

Actually, Minifigure, the Running Gag is a pretty huge car, and it's especially massive at the back which hits the chopper which is relatively small. I think that the car would still continue spinning after the hit.

So, I'm mainly trying to find how to hold up all of the objects and easily move them down. (I know I'm probably going to spend a day masking this) haha

Re: How Do You Make Car Fly Off of a Building and Hit a Helicopter?

Well, in that case, I invented an easier way of masking I call Double Rigging. I posted it 2 times before, look through my posts to find it. I don't want to try explaining it again.

Maybe it'll be easier if the car doesn't spin while it's in the air. It'll be easier for you to do, and I think it'll look okay without it.

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Re: How Do You Make Car Fly Off of a Building and Hit a Helicopter?

Here's a list of the shots I plan:

Shot 1: The Car skids to the edge of the building trying to stop.

Shot 2: From a lower angle looking up to the edge of the building the Running Gag breaks the railing at the top of the building and starts flying and spinning off. (I'll have the railing fall by attaching the pieces to the side of the building with sticky stuff)

Shot 3: The car hits the chopper and it explodes, pieces begin to fall.

Shot 4: The Camera will be fixed onto one side of a rectangular board, on the other side shall be the car, so that the camera is always in the same position relative to the car as the word spins around them. I will move the camera as I take the pictures, giving it a heavy motion blur. It will be so blurry that it will be completely unnecessary to animate falling chopper pieces.

Shot 5: A dolly shot on the street moving backward, the car lands on the street with the pieces from the chopper which bounce some, and the car moves forward.

And that's it for that part. Hope that made it somewhat more clear. My main problem is shot three. Due to the brickslosion and falling elements.

I plan to hold the Running Gag by a long LEGO shaft by hand.

Last edited by Squid (July 20, 2011 (12:39pm))

Re: How Do You Make Car Fly Off of a Building and Hit a Helicopter?

If you use stock footage of an explosion, it might cover the LEGO shaft, and that would probably work.

Re: How Do You Make Car Fly Off of a Building and Hit a Helicopter?

Mighty Wanderer wrote:

If you use stock footage of an explosion, it might cover the LEGO shaft, and that would probably work.

I am just going to mask the shaft. The Running Gag isn't a problem. I don't want to use stock footage though. I've never usually enjoyed the way it looked.

Re: How Do You Make Car Fly Off of a Building and Hit a Helicopter?

You should animate each falling object separately and then composite all the shots together

I can't brickfilm for now. See you guys later.

Re: How Do You Make Car Fly Off of a Building and Hit a Helicopter?

Shot four presents a problem, unless your set is in every direction?

For shot three You should prop up each corner of the car with a rig to keep it steady. It'd help if you could provide a visual explanation of what is to happen.

Could you make an animatic/storyboard and show us?

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Re: How Do You Make Car Fly Off of a Building and Hit a Helicopter?

What RedBeard said. Allow me to elaborate: Film the Running Gag (Great name, by the way. mini/XD  So Joker.) fly and hit nothing over a blue screen. (Blue because I'm assumin that the Running Gag has some green in it's color scheme.) This will make it easier to spin around, since you are only animating one thing. Film the news chopper separately crumbling to pieces over a green screen. (Green because I'm assumin that the Chopper has some blue in it's color scheme.) Composite the shots together by blue screening/green screening them. Add a background image or video and an explosion effects, do the necessary key-framing (if needed), and you're good to go.

http://i.imgur.com/Q9NCUnx.png

Re: How Do You Make Car Fly Off of a Building and Hit a Helicopter?

RedBeard wrote:

You should animate each falling object separately and then composite all the shots together

That's probably the best idea I've heard so far. mini/smile
By doing that, I could focus on each individual piece falling down, and it would be much more likely to appear totally smooth. Still presents obvious difficulties, and I'd have to make sure and plan every frame to the letter, but it would be so cool. mini/smile

cartoonkid wrote:

Shot four presents a problem, unless your set is in every direction?

Yeah, I build most of my sets in every direction. mini/smile
There are a lot more open possibilities with cinematography that way, so, yeah.

It'd help if you could provide a visual explanation of what is to happen.

Could you make an animatic/storyboard and show us?

Unfortunately, I'm the a horrible drawer. xD And anything I try to show will look just dreadful, and probably make any idea of this shot even worse. Haha
I was thinking of doing a visual representation in LEGO, but it would take a while since I would have to build so many buildings. D:
I might make one if I still feel I need any ideas in the far distant future when I have the set built. mini/smile

blue screen

I've never actually done blue screen, so I'm afraid I might fail at it. xD I think masking sounds great, and I don't see why I'd use anything besides that.



Thanks for help guys. mini/smile It's nice to have some interesting ideas for this.

Re: How Do You Make Car Fly Off of a Building and Hit a Helicopter?

AnnoyingNoisesProductions wrote:

It'd help if you could provide a visual explanation of what is to happen.

Could you make an animatic/storyboard and show us?

Unfortunately, I'm the a horrible drawer. xD And anything I try to show will look just dreadful, and probably make any idea of this shot even worse. Haha
I was thinking of doing a visual representation in LEGO, but it would take a while since I would have to build so many buildings. D:
I might make one if I still feel I need any ideas in the far distant future when I have the set built. mini/smile

It wouldn't need to be fantastic art even colour coded rectangles with arrows to show movement would help.

If you were to do it in lego you wouldn't need to build the entire set, just a raised platform for the roof and the raised helicopter and running gag would work.

Compositing seems like it would over complicate it imo. It'd make it hard to line things up correctly.

This scene sounds amazing, I hope it turns out as such.

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Re: How Do You Make Car Fly Off of a Building and Hit a Helicopter?

Haha, me too. xD

I could make a simple LEGO version, maybe with only with a lousy building. I would need to build a car to replace the Running Gag though.
(For certain reasons, I wish to not reveal the car until its scene in the movie, as I don't want to spoil it's lovely look which took me over a month to make, you'll be glad I waited until the movie)
I also might be able to do a miniature version.

Re: How Do You Make Car Fly Off of a Building and Hit a Helicopter?

It would look really cool to follow the car for about 1 second in slow motion as it flies off the building.<The camera should also be right above the car. You should also have a street view angle. You could use greenscreening and masking.

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Re: How Do You Make Car Fly Off of a Building and Hit a Helicopter?

I've been considering slow motion for this shot. As I do it a bit much more than most brickfilmers (Boardron is still way better than me still) I'm not sure about the impact in slow mo, but I might do the flying off the building part before it happens. I don't know. What ever it is, I'm sure it will be cool. mini/smile

Re: How Do You Make Car Fly Off of a Building and Hit a Helicopter?

VanderFlame Studios wrote:

It would look really cool to follow the car for about 1 second in slow motion as it flies off the building.<The camera should also be right above the car. You should also have a street view angle. You could use greenscreening and masking.

pretty muchg every action shot in the "ENDLESS KNIGHT" series will have slow motion...

for the shot looking up the building you could have just the wall and lie that down on the ground, have the cars rig attached from the top, and then with the falling bricks you could easily add some distance from the wall with the help of blue/green bricks and cut them out latter.

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Another note guys: I never ever want blue/green screen. It gives it a weird fake look. Even when done by professionals in feature films sometimes. I'll do this with masking. I enjoy its look of extreme realism.

Anyway, I found a picture of my chopper:

http://www.1000steine.com/brickset/images/6553-1.jpg

Just in case you wanted to see that.
Also, yesterday I thought up the brilliant idea of spinning the blades just before I take the picture. This will give it an extremely realistic blur effect.
mini/bigsmile
I my make a test picture substituting the Bat-Mobile for the Running Gag for shot three, as they're basically the same general shape. Just need to finish the Bat-Mobile.

Re: How Do You Make Car Fly Off of a Building and Hit a Helicopter?

Waow, you're lucky to have that set! I'd love to see a pic of the Running Gag. Can't get over that name. mini/lol

http://i.imgur.com/Q9NCUnx.png

Re: How Do You Make Car Fly Off of a Building and Hit a Helicopter?

Once again

I wrote:

I wish to not reveal the car until its scene in the movie, as I don't want to spoil it's lovely look which took me over a month to make, you'll be glad I waited until the movie

It is actually my very first LEGO set. I still remember when I got it one day in 1997, my parents brought it home, and I built it and ran around the house with the chopper, having loads of fun spinning the blades. I was even more lucky that when I tried to rebuild it a few years back, I still had all of the pieces. mini/dizzy I'm pretty amazed by that. It's still a bit old, and the stickers are gone, but I'm amazed that it's still pretty nice looking.

I'm trying to make it a point to insert something from this set in every movie. And what better than an awesome action shot? mini/smile