Re: Reputation Meter?
Yeah, I guess that's a good point.
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Yeah, I guess that's a good point.
To be fairly honest, I dislike the idea of a reputation meter, it enables people with personal vendettas for each other to just dislike all of their posts. Also those who support the idea are the 'higher-ups' who automatically get a thumbs up on each post due to kiss-ups praising their every move. So I feel the idea is iffy, most importantly since most of the thumbs ups and downs aren't really legitimate, so your 'reputation-meter' isn't really legitimate either, it's just compiled with mostly contaminated information of '+' and '-' which could be given for numerous reasons and not if the person is insightful or on the other hand truly un-insightful. The idea was flawed from the start, a better idea of gaining data to state someone's standing on the site is by not collecting any at all, since any form of public survey to do this will end up being biased, since 100% of the people on the site have something against another person, since we're all mostly young except for a group of people in their 20s, and maybe a couple older, and to be honest no one on the website, from what i've seen, is mature, not even me. So I plan to see -1,000 on my reputation meter, without a doubt.
Edit: Watch me get -10 just for saying i'm against it...
Last edited by KinzCove (July 12, 2011 (06:19pm))
Yeah, plus, it's pretty obvious that a lot of younger, and more immature members are going to get like -10, and the only thing I can really see coming from that is them being offended. Or asking for more votes. Or kiss-assing.
Plus, for a lot of members, you can pretty much tell who pressed +/- for their reputation-o-meters.
Yeah, the only thing I can imagine is Smeagol didn't think this out enough when he added it, since he's always saying in chat how he doesn't want the young and more immature members to be offended, but he added this feature which is a ticket to this group of members being offended.
Perhaps the reputation of a person should be determined by the older members such as moderators. Because Kinzcove is right, people do have enemies and friends on this forum. And Danimation had a point, younger members will be embarrassed by having a -9. I say people's reputation should be determined by their actions on the forums over time.
The moderators are moody and biased just like the younger members, so I feel, no reputation count at all. Since everybody has issues. Let's all go to therapy.
Just...don't pay so much attention to it if you think it's silly, I guess?
he's always saying in chat how he doesn't want the young and more immature members to be offended
I think what you're referring to, KinzCove, is that I want to avoid crude content such as sexual references, blood/gore, and profanity from being posted here. I don't mind if kids who are too young or immature to be here don't feel particularly welcome, but I don't want potentially offensive content like that here because it's bad for the image of the site.
If a young kid who isn't mature enough to be here gets a -10 I can see how that might make him feel bad, but I think it's not as bad as getting messages from staff asking for better behavior, and being publicly insulted in the forums by annoyed members, which is pretty much the norm right now. I feel like a reputation score might be a more subtle indicator for people. It's a measurable way of seeing whether or not people are playing nice, and it allows for positive reinforcement, too.
I was reluctant to try something like this for a long time for the same reasons people have noted, but several staff people recently suggested it based on how well it works on some other forums. I figured it's worth a try.
The center of conversation in chat is rarely ever my film's content, but you're thinking when I said that line: "he doesn't want to offend the younger members, he said that in chat, blah blah blah" it's derived from a convo about my film's content, when it's not. I'm talking about the scenario's where the convo is about younger and immature members and people posting things criticizing their actions on the forums, etc. not my film content.
The center of conversation in chat is rarely ever my film's content, but you're thinking when I said that line: "he doesn't want to offend the younger members, he said that in chat, blah blah blah" it's derived from a convo about my film's content, when it's not. I'm talking about the scenario's where the convo is about younger and immature members and people posting things criticizing their actions on the forums, etc. not my film content.
I'm trying to make sense of this, so bear with me if I make some mistakes in interpretation.
I can't recall any instance in which Smeagol is
saying in chat how he doesn't want the young and more immature members to be offended
by criticism of their actions. He always says something along those lines in response to your questions about putting orgies in films, but he's been pretty frank in maintaining that as far as behavioral enforcement goes, we aren't going to go out of our way to accommodate immature (not young- there is a very significant difference) members. Let's be honest here, there are some people on the site right now who are hardly capable of making coherent posts, let alone actually discussing a film and contributing positively to the conversation. It's difficult to make them aware of this, and if a ratings system could do so, I'd be all for it.
Personally I don't support the ratings system and expect it will be used as a tool to express the state of the forums rather than actually correcting it. Still, if other moderators want to give it a shot, I'm willing to see what happens.
since 100% of the people on the site have something against another person
Seriously though, I'm interested to see how this goes. I'm one of the people who suggested a rep system after all. I can see how the situation may differ, however - on a forum I used to frequent that had such a system in place, the userbase was made up more of teens - adults whereas here it seems to be little kids - tweens (in both cases referring more to maturity levels than age).
Another main difference is that "repping" someone was not anonymous, as well as being given the option to include a short message with your rep, more like how ebay feedback works. - a user could plainly see who had repped them, what post it was tied to and why. If a user was being bullied in this manner they could report it to the forum moderators. However only the user themselves (and mods/admins if required) would be able to see the details about their "reps".
The rep system there had the general effect of making users police themselves more. This place could certainly use people thinking about what they say before they say it, hence my suggesting. But like I said it'll be interesting to see how a different type of people and different implementation of the system ends up.
Last edited by Siobhan (July 12, 2011 (07:41pm))
give it back.
Last edited by WelcomeToAwesomeness (July 12, 2011 (08:51pm))
Interesting, seems like a nice idea. All I hope is that it doesn't get out of hand, where people are only rating people's posts because they don't like them/want to get on their good side (n00bs telling other n00bs they rated their post up, etc).
-JK
Last edited by Just Kidden (July 12, 2011 (07:38pm))
Implementing a system similar to the one you (sean) are describing (in which you can leave comments, and ratings are not anonymous) would be possible, Sean. I was sort of opposed to it because I didn't like the idea of people being encouraged publicly insulting each other. Something simpler seemed like a better option to me.
Yeah I can understand the concern there on forum where the general maturity isn't as high as many of us would like. I'll add to that previous post, one the user themselves (and mods/admins if required) would be able to look and see the details about their "repping".
I dont think this a good idea. Only time will tell. I feel this maybe just a joke too =p
Last edited by Stoppedmotion (July 12, 2011 (09:26pm))
This is weird... oh well. Can someone tell me what mine is
-Rob
Pro tip: if you look to the left of your post, beneath your avatar and all that stuff, you can see what your own reputation is.
finally, i have been waiting for this feature so long
Is this feature for only that 1 post? I think it should be for that user overall.
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