That's a good point that hadn't entered my mind, I agree. Also, I just got back from Transformers 3 in 3D, which did not make any difference at all. All it did was give me a headache. I'm not saying that all movies in 3D don't make a difference, but with the two I saw, it didn't at all and if it's like that with all movies, screw 3D.  (Other one was LAst Airbender).

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(When I said I agree, I meant with the argument, I don't care if people see them or not, just saying)

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If you like 3D - fine, that's your opinion and I wont try to change your opinion. But I have an opinion, and I have the right to say it. I hate 3D, and I have said why I hate it. If you think its invalid then tough. My opinion will not be changed either. I should not have said "And neither should you", but I never meant "If you like 3D you suck". I forgot that you were not allowed to hate anything on the internet....

I enjoy 'fun' movies. I like all the POTC movies, I like the Original Star Wars Trilogy (which snobs detest), and I like my blockbusters. I'm trying to get into films which challenge/intrigue us - but good popcorn movies give us a different kind of entertainment.

But 3D as a serious cinematic convention just makes my blood boil. As a person who hopes to get into the film industry, I hate it with a passion - for all the reasons I have said before.

Again, I should have re-worded my argument. I will say no more about 3D, and just leave you with my opinion....

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Do you mean the prequels? Because almost everyone likes Episde IV - VI?

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So, you're not talking about the prequels, right?

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Dear Max,

I don't think anyone's tried to deny you your right to espouse your opinion (at least in this particular conversation). And if you refuse to consider changing your opinion, what's the point of engaging in a discussion?

I think you're creating a false dichotomy when you say that

Have you ever seen How To Train Your Dragon? I missed that one in theaters, but as I watched the 2D version at home, I was struck by the way 3D would suit the film. It didn't "ruin" it, but when the sequel hits theaters, I'll be there.

Have you seen the box office lately? It kind of has. True, it may fizzle out, but given the amount of money tied into it on both the studio end and the theater end (not to mention home theaters), I find it unlikely.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_3D#Blu-ray_3D

You're really selling those movies short if you're asserting their greatest merit is their lack of 3D.

Am I sold on 3D? Not really. I've seen some excellent 3D and a lot of mediocre 3D. I'm skeptical, however, that it's the giant ballyhoo some people make it out to be, and I'm interested to see how it's used in the future.

You make good points Jargon, but I'm going to defend my opinion.

Because being on the internet has hardened my into a stubborn jackass. When such strong emotions are exchanged, I dont think there is any way a persons opinion can be changed.

Admittedly no (but I want to). It seems like 3D works well with animated features. But, honestly, is seeing a movie in 2D and wishing you were watching it in 3D a good thing?

Whilst I never think that Box-Office ratings mean anything in regards to quality, I agree that 3D recently has had a revival. But - according to some sources - its dying (although, these articles were published pre-Transformers 3). I do think 3D is catching on....but not in a good way. I'll get to why I think 3D could actually be good, but probably never will, later.

Yeah, there are attempts to bring 3D into our homes. In the UK - its still got a way to go, but its starting to catch on. I have incredibly mixed opinions about HV 3D which I cannot write down because I'll begin a Gollum-like internal debate...

My argument is that A) They dont need 3D to engage us, and B) They will go down in history as incredible movies with legs (Meaning they will still hold up in years to come).

The only movie that has used 3D to try and suck us into its own world is 'Avatar' (but, again, I have not seen 'How To Train Your Dragon'). Whilst I believe 'Avatar' failed - I do think that if someone else tried it, it may succeed. I was actually looking forward to 'Avatar 2' because at first it seemed like it was dropping the pretentious crap about humans being bad and instead focusing on the internal conflicts created solely within the world of Pandora. I would love to see that! But no: 'Avatar 2' is still going to have humans trying to take over - and its hinted that the General character who I would give all my worldly possessions to gouge his eyes out with my bare hands will return.

3D should continue trying to do what 'Avatar' attempted to do. But no. In the same way I am crying out for a release of Michael Jacksons 'Bad' Tour, I am internally screaming for someone to do what 'Avatar' should IMO have been.

Look, Max, I'm not trying to squeeze your opinion out of the internet. I just think that at some point you begin repeating your ideas over and over like that will change reality and stop actually caring about finding anything meaningful through the discussion. There's no point in just writing that you hate something time and again- that everyone should do exactly what you think they should do- without considering that there is an alternate opinion and it might be valid, and I'm pretty sure you know that; your long rants just happen to occasionally obscure it. Personally there aren't any 3D films that I would be willing to see right now either. The technology doesn't strike me as having evolved well enough for it to be worth the money. I do have good feelings about the future, though. I don't think 3D is doomed to be a gimmick forever.

The only other thing I'm going to say on the matter is that if both parties are coming to a discussion, determined not to change their opinion, what's the point? A conversation only works/is productive if both parties are willing to state their case and/or hear out the other's. Otherwise we're just a bunch of toddlers yelling at each other.