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BWJCLego has a very good point.

I think im going to admit it right here, I MAKE LSW FILMS!!! (Prepares for brutal massacre). The first lego film I ever saw was Star Wars, and I got introduced to LSW brickfilms properly when I saw SQ42 back in March 09. However, only recently did I finally release a film. Yeah, the 2 films I have up on my Youtube are Star Wars, why? because I like Star Wars, im 14 BTW, so dont go saying im some immature kid. Ive been a massive fan of Star Wars for ages and have delved into the expanded universe of it and etc. I actually bothered to write a story for both those films. Link to the more recent one for people who care: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkdlE5qFWf0

However, as of late, although im still working on an LSW film right now, Ive began thinking of other ideas. One of which I really want to make in the near future, so I will probably end up gradually moving away from SW and joining the general brickfilming community that doesn't do Star Wars mini/tongue

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Oh, I'm not dissing original films.  Most LSW films are really dumb.  I'm just saying its not worth hating on the films.  People need somewhere to start, let them start with Star Wars, or any other pre-existing storyline.  No one can do everything right when they start (well, a few people can sure give it a good shot, but those are ones who normally have been around the site awhile).  Let them get animation down, then encourage the originality.  Baby steps.

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Im still cautious about aiming higher, im always nervous of screwing up and creating some sort of absolute abomination that will be laughed at for the entire history of forever. Thats why I havent really tried anything advanced, LSW included. Regardless of all the hundreds of good comments I got on that video, I still have that fear.

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All this talk is making me realize SW films are a good challenge mini/XD ! Starwars brickfilms are what inspired me start filming, and you guys inspired me to make a good one mini/smile

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you Nailed it BWJCLego, I was the same, and it is good, everyone needs a base, I wonder if in 2012 we'll see any 'Good' star wars brick films? why? cause ep1 gets re-released in 3d......
I know I'm going to make a Eye candy spoof of the movie.....
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and yea, I think that there should be a Lego BiM contest bout making a Good Lego Star Wars Film.....

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i doubt that all star wars films are really lame but still i have made a tiny one but i deleted it because 99 times out of 100 star wars animations suck mini/devil

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Elijah Ormandy wrote:

i doubt that all star wars films are really lame ... because 99 times out of 100 star wars animations suck

Umm, I don't think you are quite sure of yourself, that is a bit contradictory.

Anyways, I actually plan on going back into the Star Wars universe for films somewhere down the road, because of the extensive storyline to build on, and the incredible fan base LSW films have.  Lets face it, on YT, LSW films have the single biggest fan base of brickfilms.  A close second would probably be batman, because of FF101.  Good or bad, LSW films will attract viewers, and then viewers try it out themselves, making more films for the fan base.  Its a never ending cycle, but not necessarily a bad one.  Our community is not too affected by this though, most crappy LSW filmmakers stay on youtube and die out.  Realistically, though a well made, original storyline based on star wars is rare, it isn't surprising.  Many top animators have made SW films, and they have been great.

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@ BWJCLego But it all depends on why you are making Star Wars films. If you want views on YouTube, and want a lot of subscribers, then Star Wars is the way to go, certainly. I think that's the main reason people make Star Wars brickfilms; everyone knows the basic plotline, you really don't have to do much thinking, and if it's remotely good you'll get thousands of views on YouTube.
Now I'm not saying that that is necessarily why you want to make Star Wars films; there are several good Star Wars films out there, because they have an original storyline set in a familiar setting. Hopefully those are the kinds of films most people on BiM try to make, because those are the Star Wars films that are enjoyable to watch.

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You obviously misunderstood me.  I would make a LSW film because I wanted to, not because of the fan base, that is just a bonus that would be nice to exploit. mini/wink 
People don't normally make LSW films because of the fan base though, especially the beginners who make all the crappy films, they make it because they are a part of that fan base, they don't know much else that they can do.  LSW seems like a natural fit for them.  Then, because all these people are making crappy LSW films, people see them and want to do it too, but don't know high quality.  I used to think S42 was like uber amazing, but now i realize the quality is not that great.  That is what others think, that there is no way to reach even S42 level films, which is kinda just average, and we wonder why  there is so many 4fps WWM LSW films out there, they know nothing else.  They may see some other genres of brickfilm, but they don't think to themselves, 'Oh, I should make an original story and animate better,' because no one has told them.

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BWJCLego wrote:

I used to think S42 was like uber amazing, but now i realize the quality is not that great.  That is what others think, that there is no way to reach even S42 level films, which is kinda just average

I used to think SQ42 was god incarnate lol, looking back at it now, its actually pretty standard. The stop-motion is light flicker abundant and pretty choppy. The sets are pretty standard aswell. The effects can be replicated by almost everyone now, since LOADS of people have Particle Illusion and its a really simple program to use. As regards to SQ42 6, Spugesdus stop motion hasn't improved at all since 5, its actually gotten even rustier, and that may be a major contributing factor to the film.

SQ42 6s CGI may be incredible, but if the stop motion fails, the film will come down with it. I really do hope the stop-motion improves since I really want that film to be good lol mini/lol

As regards to the large fanbase thing, im sure some people do it for that. But as BWJCLego said, most people do it because thats what they how to do. I personally do it now mainly because Ive always loved Star Wars as my favourite film trilogy of all time. I even try to fit my films into certain bits of the the SW expanded universe. Its rather disappointing the Clone Wars has been hacked to death, mainly due to that awful, awful TV show. The Clone Wars is actually a pretty good era in SW history, its just its been over-used so much its not as cool anymore.

At least they havent touched the original trilogy yet, that still remains being awesome mini/smile

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original and parts of Ep1 like the Podrace
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I don't hate Star Wars brickfilms, and I don't think it is a good idea to simply dismiss every Star Wars brickfilm as garbage. I think what has happened is that due to the fact that many beginning brickfilmers have posted their "Star Wars Moviez" on youtube, and have gotten a ton of views. While other brickfilmers with more skill struggle to get a few subscribers. This seems to build up tension between the two. I have seen quite a few very enjoyable Star Wars brickfilms, however they have gotten a reputation for being rushed, and usually not very good.

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Well I don't think originality is the most important thing. From my experience, ideas are worthless. Execution is more important as anything else. LSW has been done hundreds of times, but I think execution is what set FP's vid apart from the rest. Nobody cares how many ideas you have - it's about making them into a reality that really matters mini/wink .

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Well I don't think originality is the most important thing. From my experience, ideas are worthless. Execution is more important as anything else.

You just made yourself a lot of brickfilmer enemies.

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Golden wrote:
C3LegO wrote:

Well I don't think originality is the most important thing. From my experience, ideas are worthless. Execution is more important as anything else.

You just made yourself a lot of brickfilmer enemies.

Why?

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You were just concerened about how the animation was presented than what the story is about. A lot of people don't like that. In reality, both the idea and the execution matter. Someone can make a film with a good idea but with bad technical quality (example: The Beauty of Grace). On the flip side, someone can make a well-presented film but with little or no story (example: Lego Black Ops). Both could be liked for their respective areas, but if you have a good story and good technical quality, you have a really great film that a lot of pepole will like.

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On one hand, I agree with you. If someone seeks popularity, execution really is all that matters (aside from being culturally relevant, ie. Star Wars, Indiana Jones, etc...). However at some point the director has to decide if they want to make movies that mean something to them personally, rather than pandering to the masses. For the critical viewer, I think creativity plays a large part in the appeal of a film, although I can obviously only speak from my own experience. I love The Force Unleashed for its visuals, don't get me wrong, but I've only watched it once or twice. Once you've seen it, you've seen it, and there's nothing more to think about. A film like Grace had more watch-ability for me, even with its somewhat cliche story, because it provided a new universe to explore and some fairly ambiguous moral actions to be pondered.

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Ok ideas aren't worthless and I was wrong about that, I just think execution matters more.

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I am still waiting for a Starwars fan film that is about Hutts and smugglers and bounty hunters and has nothing to do with Jedi at all, whenever I watch a Starwars film that is about Jedi I loose a little more hope that someone will make that sort of film.

(I've looked for that sort of fan film, even in live action and nobody is making them, it's like no one likes the best part of Starwars)

This.

That's what fricking Star Wars is, not a bunch of muppets going to meetings.
I think that would be a nice step forward in the 'genre', if it were well-developed, well-written; all that.

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It isn't Lego Star Wars films themselves that are bad.  Many are able to make LSW movies extremely well and add a twist to the story that makes it original.  Fancypants has done just that and so have some others.  Sadly, almost every single brickfilm with a Lego Star Wars theme nowadays has poor animation, an unoriginal and uninteresting story (mostly just clones shooting droids and people showing off their LSW collections) and it's almost as if you see one you've seen 'em all.  It's not LSW films themselves that are bad, you can make a great brickfilm set in the LSW universe with a great story, it's just so many today focus only on the Star Wars part of it rather than having a good character development and plot.