Topic: Lego Star Wars Hate?

Right, im not sure if I posted this under the correct category, but Ive done some looking around and most stuff like this is under this category. So, without further ado, let me put my point forward.

I understand there is a lot of hate for the Lego Star Wars line of films, Ive seen people who have uploaded them and get horribly bashed over it. I mean, sure not all of them are great, but lets think about it people, we have a lot of not-so-great non-LSW films out there as well. Everyone starts some where.

What im saying is, LSW does have A LOT of terrible animations branded with its name. But thats because its clearly a very popular brand, and because there are so many bad LSW animations, hardly anyone seems to give the good ones a chance anymore and bashes them all as a whole. I know someone will argue "WELL ITS UNORIGINAL". Then why dont we all go and bash Batman, Spiderman, etc films as well?.

There are some pretty good LSW films out there, FP did an incredible one himself. So instead of all hating on it non-stop I would highly suggest giving them just as much chance as any other brickfilm out there. We have tons of terrible original films as well and we have tons of terrible non-LSW franchise based films.

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I think that hating on a brickfilm sight unseen because of its genre is silly. However, if the creator isn't someone I think highly of already, I'm usually pretty skeptical going in - if I even watch the video. Star Wars films and so on are just so overcrowded by mediocre works.

That being said, originality isn't everything. Originality is a great thing to have in your movie, but it's not the only thing that can make a movie good; it's certainly possible to have a Spider-Man spoof that's superior to an original creation. If you're going to make an unoriginal brickfilm, make sure that you do it well. Feature high production value, write a quality script, etc. There are so many different things to focus on when it comes to making something good. Originality needs to lose its buzzword status.

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LSW brickfilms are extremely popular, which means more people will make LSW brickfilms, which means more bad brickfilmers are likely to make one. I think that's why everyone hates LSW brickfilms.

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Rusty wrote:

[...] more bad brickfilmers are likely to make one.[...]

We don't say bad, we say newbs.

The current trend is Clone Wars-inspired brickfilm so what is considered original would be literature based (Bane of the Sith, Heir of the Empire, etc.).  It's whatever is in your face at the moment that inspires your "creativity".  When Dark Knight came out, it was all about Batman.  When Harry Potter and Spider-man came out, it was all about Harry Spider and Potter man.

Thing is, we can't control what the pre-teen impressionable animator can create and they go with what they know.

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I am still waiting for a Starwars fan film that is about Hutts and smugglers and bounty hunters and has nothing to do with Jedi at all, whenever I watch a Starwars film that is about Jedi I loose a little more hope that someone will make that sort of film.

(I've looked for that sort of fan film, even in live action and nobody is making them, it's like no one likes the best part of Starwars)

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It's a little off-topic, I'm hoping Lucas goes in that direction for his live-action television series. There's such a great underbelly to the Star Wars universe that need not be lit be the glowing blue and red blades of force-wielding warriors.

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Actually Jargon the series is apparently focusing on Boba Fett as a main character and is set between EPs III-IV. So we hopefully will see a lot of bounty hunter/non-jedi stuff. Also, most Jedi have been killed during that time period so its almost impossible for Jedi to be involved.

As for the other replies. Lechnology, your right about the Clone Wars thing, I despise the Clone Wars TV series, unfortunately it affected brickfilms a lot and the lego brand is very popular. More people should do literature based stuff, I would love to see a Yuuzhan-Vong war brickfilm or something, and as for SlothPaladin, I might take a shot at a film like that just for you, I will even risk being bashed for making SW mini/bigsmile

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Its been a few years since I've read Starwars books or really followed any SW things but if you make a movie like that I'll watch the !@#$ out of it, if it's good I'll put in a good word.

I kind of wish there was local people interested in LEGO animation, if there were a few people in Seattle it would be fun to make some kind of non-jedi/sith SW fan film, I have yet to make a film set in space mini/confused

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I'd like to see something from the anthology short stories about the patrons of the Cantina, the servants in Jabba's palace or some of the minor bounty hunters from ESB.  Doesn't have to be canon nor directly from those literature, but the idea being that people are aware that Star Wars is more than just beam saber welding wizards and full-body armored clone soldiers from Australia.

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Well how can you not hate Star Wars brickfilms when all they're about is Jedi dudes and Storm Troopers....  95% of those videos completely lack originality and vision mini/rolleyes  besides most of those videos are bad in terms of animation, sound, editing and anything else you want. As somebody above mentioned usually Star Wars Lego video = A newbie who should gain some experience before making any Star Wars lego film....

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I love Star Wars brickfilms---if their good (like squad 42?)
I understand why the people on this site are opposed to LSW, but I think yall should just give it a chance. Use the Force!

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Using the force is why a lot of Starwars videos suck, Han Solo didn't need the force to be awesome, but Luke used it and was still a whinny little kid.

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SlothPaladin wrote:

Using the force is why a lot of Starwars videos suck, Han Solo didn't need the force to be awesome, but Luke used it and was still a whinny little kid.

A lot of Star Wars videos suck because they suck. We don't really need to search for any kind of deep rooted flaw with 99% of the Star Wars brickfilms when they 1) can hardly be called animated and 2) have stories that were never thought out to any extent. And I'm happy to include my "films" into that 99%.

And btw, two of my favorite brickfilms are Bane of the Sith and Rise of the Empire, neither film is afraid of the force or lightsabers.

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JamesW, Rise Of The Empire is what made me put this post up lol, Bane Of The Sith is brilliant and lets not leave out NickDurrons Dark Apprentice trailer. I personally also see The fall from grace thing will be one of the good LSW films due to you doing something Vong related (something Ive always wanted to see done in lego).

Also, to everyone else, most LSW films are n00bie, I stated that in the original post up thar, but not all are bad. Clone Wars is probably the most over-done LSW film line. These days its all clones fighting droids in defence of a base with a random sith thrown into the works for no reason. I dont like it when people abuse Sith and Jedi in LSW films mini/confused

Theres a lot you can do with Star Wars and its possible to make an incredible film with it, sadly, most people dont seem to want to go beyond the "teh clon3z f1t3 teh dro1dz f0r teh b4s3" storyline. Anyway, I might take up on the minor-bounty hunter LSW film one day, but Ive got other stuff to finish first. But it has been noted.

Also, to topitmunkeydog, SQ42 V (the newest episode to date) was good for its time, but compared to the newer stuff coming out, its rather drab now. The storyline has been repeated so many times its not funny, the squad concept has been beaten to death by thousands of n00bs and the films stop motion and effects are just generally old hat now. Spugesdu's CGI is like a work of god, but his stop-motion is definitely not up to scratch with it. I fear the stop motion may actually kill the film when it comes out.

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I think that if you can put time and effort into it, you can do anything with those little Star Wars figures. In fact, recent films have actually been doing pretty well in the LSW area (Black Stowm Troopa, FOO!)

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^ Black stormtrooper is a work of pure genius mini/tongue

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I love LSW brickfilms....if they're good. The problem is there's a lot of brickfilmers out there that aren't hardly even brickfilmers. They just see something on youtube, grab they're legos and copy the clone wars. And they never get away from using WMM and MS Paint. I love just about any half decent LSW film based on the EU, because if someone actually does that then the probably have a love for Star Wars and don't want to make a total peice of crap.

However, even things set in the clone wars can still be very good, such as S42, and......GUNS OF DUBRILLION!!! by Fireguy. The story was so wonderfully original that even if it was horribly made I would have loved it, and it wasn't the CGI was highly impressive, as were the other VFX, and the animation was good. Any hater of LSW should watch it, I think it might changed their mind.

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i think that poeple doing star wars have not began their career and just base it for they don't know what alse to base it on

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(if you don't want to read all this, skip to the second paragraph.  I would like you to read it all though)

I am personally a prime example of this sort of thing.  When I started brickfilming, (four or five years ago) I was seriously into the Lego star wars line (being ten at the time)  My obvious choice for brickfilming was star wars, not only because of the line and because that was the Lego i had, but also because I was introduced to Brickfilming through the contest on the Lego star wars page.  I almost entered this, but I had two days, and had no idea how to edit etc. when i found the contest.  I actually had an original idea, and was going to film in 8 fps, i had even done some tests and made a set, it would have been a first brickfilm that i would be proud of today, but i was lost.  I then continued into you-tube to watch the films there, searching 'Lego star wars' led me to mainly crap films, which i loved at the time.  Also, the entrants to the LSW contest were amazing to me, (one of which is still one of my favorite brickfilms) and one even inspired my first brickfilm, which i made by taking pics with my point and shoot, then recording the point and shoots viewfinder with a video camera and voice acting at the same time.  This led to many more LSW brickfilms from me, most from way before even my days as a youtube user, and mainly in 4fps, with crazy frog music in the background.  I loved it, thought they were amazing, and it got me into brickfilming.

All this to remind me of my past, and to make a point.  Yes, most LSW brickfilms are crap, but instead of hating on them, encourage the animators, give them pointers, and compliment them on things they did well.  They are usually beginner animators, in their preteens, with a love of star wars (but what ten year old doesn't).  The reason so many are unoriginal, is not because of star wars, its because they don't care about story, they just want to make a video.  Some are not help-able *cough*legoboy*cough*, but many can be turned into, at the least, mid level animators.

LSW is a genre with two streams, the beginner-who-wants-to-animate-and-is-super-proud-of-themselves, and the professional who makes an original storyline, or who makes a lot of eye candy.  Most films will fall into the first category, and I think that is fine.  Don't hate, help, and everyone will be better off.

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Agree, BWJCLego. I have always wanted to make a star wars brickfilm but I haven't because, 1) to afraid for what the "BIMers" would say.

2) I still have light flicker mini/XD. But that's not the point. the point is that animators should make what they want to make, and not what "BIMers" think is better. (But some original films are cool too).

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