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DUBBLE POST!!!!11!!!!!one!!!!!



Just watched "A Christmas Carol" (The Doctor Who episode, not the other one you silleh person) It was quite frankly terrible.

ALSO what made it worse is the fact that the last Doctor Who I saw before this was "Fathers Day".

The laws of time and space can apparently be changed whenever it suits The Doctor..


But series 6 looks awesome!

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I prefer 'Fathers Day'. The way everything was solved was sorta plausible (I cant think of a more logical alternative, and there is no scientific proof that its impossible since no-one has gone back in time to create a paradox yet) although surely The Doctor would have had his memory erased too, but Time Lord translates to GOD so whatever. The concept of reapers removing paradoxes would make some sense if we were given more info about their origin, but I guess there was not enough time. But, compared to Series 5, this episode had...you know...Drama, Tension, Emotion, and actually made a modicum of sense. You know...stuff that made Doctor Who enjoyable.

Anyway, I've only seen the first 5 mins of the special. Although, judging just by the opening, it sucked. I saw Amy and Rory (I hope someone in the special explains why Amy is wearing her Kiss-O-Gram uniform and Rory his Roman Armour when Rory isn't an Auton any-more and Amy quit that job at the very first episode of last series) commandeer THE FREAKING STARSHIP ENTERPRISE!! I'm serious! It looks exactly like the Starship enterprise from the last Star Trek on a £10 budget! Star Trek should sue the BBC! I mean....OH MY GOD!!! That is the fastest way to kill any expectations or hope since the Marine-Bada$$-Stereotype-General in 'Avatar'! I'm sorry, I'm sorry to press the bullcrap button this quickly...but...HOW DO YOU GET AWAY WITH THAT!?!?! 'Turkish Star Wars' wasn't as blatant as this!!

Then The Doctor bursts in through the fireplace to a more orgasmic introduction than Jack Sparrow, and starts acting EXACTLY like David Tennant in front of Dumbledore (I thought you were dead? Or did The Doctor lock you in the Pandorica). Again, I blame the writing, since Matt Smith is pretty good in non-Moffat-written-episodes. And according to the Doctor, Santa actually exists. Yes...The Doctor just said Santa exists. My mind blew at the stupidity of that statement. I mean, really? REALLY? Its so stupid I dont know how its stupid. Just....no. Its more 'no' than your epic-fail running gag of "___ are cool". Congratulations, we are only 5 minutes in and you've already beaten last Episode for 'Facepalm Moment Of The Year'. Well done! I've already abandoned all hope - and trust me, I had to use all my willpower to keep an open and fresh mind when viewing this.

Then I had to go to Christmas Dinner. I wasn't disappointed in the slightest. Sadly, I have it Sky Plus'd, so I can view this...thing when I get the Living room to myself. I can't tell you how much I'm not looking forward to it now.

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Doctor Who 'A Christmas Carol' Review:

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It was just bad.

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Ya know, watching the entire special...it wasn't quite as bad as I expected. Sure, its the worst Christmas Special yet, but on the Moffat-scale it was OK-ish. Still cannot go within a Jupiters distance near his previous works ('Blink', 'The Girl in the Fireplace' etc)

As I established - the opening sucked. It still does. I do not take back any of my previous comments. But, I suppose after such a catastrophically bad opening, things can only get better. Heck, 'Alone in the Dark' would look good after that abysmal opening. It also wins an award for most forced, awkward, clunky, and bad line ever spoken - topping "Too Bad you....will die!" and any dialogue spoken in 'Plan 9 from Outer Space'. The winner IS:

"The ships going down....Christmas is cancelled"

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That was so bad, its not even funny. And its made even worse when Amy, who has spoken many runners up to said award in her time, says "Its Christmas!". Urgh...

But, things do pick up. But first we have to enjoy Dumbledore nailing into our heads that he is an a$$hole more than that insufferable Corporation guy from 'Avatar'. Yes, we get it - Dumbledore is the equivalent of Scrooge. We got it from the freaking trailer! We dont need any more demonstration of it! And then the Doctor goes and breaks every established rule of Time and Space according to Doctor Who.

Yep. It turns out - as Brickman points out - that Mr Moffat didn't watch 'Fathers Day', or he DID, but not very carefully. He saw that you have to prevent someone from dying to screw up the space-time continuum more than Moffat has screwed up Doctor Who....but he forgot to watch the other 44 minutes of the episode and know that both changing past events and TOUCHING YOUR PAST/FUTURE SELF CAUSES FURTHER DAMAGE!!! Sure, its probably not enough to end the world right there....but its enough to send at least a few reapers down!! This is what got the Doctor eaten!! And absolutely nothing happens when Dumbledore touches little-Dumbledore?!?! BULLCRAP.

And speaking of Bullcrap.....FISH IN THE AIR?? It makes sense....but its the stupidest thing I have ever seen in Doctor Who. And this is the franchise that has bought us Satan, Santa, Mummies, and Power-Ranger Daleks (No! I'm not letting that go!!). Although the line "There is a Shark in your Bedroom" is pretty funny.

And how does Dumbledore's dad know EXACTLY how many days the Opera-Singer-who-I-swear-I've-seen-before has to live? And why does his portrait re-appear? Dumbledore is still in the present, only his memories not his surrounding change, you freaking idiot!!

And how does Dumbledore remember his two alternate pasts? Surely if its being changed he would just remember one? I thought that was the entire point? The fact he remembers his old past is never used...so why have it?

But...this all being said....the idea of the Doctor changing the past at first seems like an incredibly clever idea. If 'Fathers Day' didn't completely contradict everything in this episode, it would have actually sorta worked. But its rendered stupid when Dumbledore remembers both pasts, and the fact that ITS TOTAL HORSE CRAP!!! Why would you completely crap over Russell T Davies just for an ok-ish idea to be used.

Oh, and the Doctor popping in back and forth throughout someone's life. That sounds familiar......um.......THE GIRL IN THE BLOODY FIREPLACE!!! YES! STEVEN MOFFAT HAS RAN OUT OF THINGS TO RIP OFF, SO HE'S RIPPING OFF FROM HIMSELF!!! That is the lowest thing a human being can do - to re-cycle your own idea. Wow! Just when I still had an inch of respect left for Moffat, he tops himself. LITERALLY!!

Again, the showing Christmas future by showing mini-Dumbledore himself could have been really good...BUT ITS COMPLETELY CONTRADICTED by 'Fathers Day'. The Reapers should be spraying barbecue sauce over them all by now!! Someone send a copy of 'Fathers Day' in the post to Moffat, and tell him to watch it - then watch his god-awful excuse for a Christmas Special.

And, in typical Moffat style - the episode comes to an end more abruptly than a speeding Ferrari crashing into a concrete wall. Uh...wasn't Opera-Girl supposed to die? Uh....are you just going to let that tiny plot-point go? Do we assume she survives through the power of whimsical magic? It kinda puts a damper to your happy ending, doesn't it? Its like if Luke Skywalker was told he had Lung Cancer at the end of Episode VI! I'm sorry, I cannot cope with these Moffat endings. I'm coining the phrase 'Moffat Ending'

'Moffat Ending'
When a story is supposed to be conclusive with no possibility of a sequel or further instalment opened (i.e, 'The Incredibles'), but leaves several plot threads unsolved, and with rapid pacing. This also refers to an ending taking place only a few minutes after the climax.

Poor Matt Smith. He's so desperately trying to find his own character - but no-one knows what his character is, so we just get a mess as the writers try to pin what personality his has. At the moment its a very inconsistent cross between David Tennant's version of The Doctor, and Johnny Depp's version of Willy Wonka. I dont blame Matt, Matt does a really good job with the shoddy material he's been given, I blame all the writers who have no clue about his personality due to Moffat having no idea either. It all goes down to Moffat....Moffat is the modern day Scrooge who has lost his Writers Spirit.

Speaking of which; Charles Dickens is spinning like a hurricane in his grave. Stop and listen to it. Its louder than Michael Jackson was when they released a post-death album of work he never wanted to release. If Dickens knew of what would become of his creation, his reaction would be exactly like the one in the post above mine.

End of rant.

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Wow.


Man you really need an award, that post was what we were all thinking, but you took the time to put it into a full post laced with amusing, yet agreeable anger.

But..


IT'S BRICKYMAN. YOU SEE THIS "Y" IN MY NAME?! IT IS THERE FOR A REASON (sorta) NOT SO EVERY TWITTERING, PEA-BRAINED SON OF A PIGS BOTTOM CAN IGNORE IT.

Not that you're a pea-brained son of a pigs bottom, Max...

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Oh bugger! How could I have missed that one out? Sorry man - its stuff like this that wonders why I managed to get an A* in English Language (plus an award for my skillz in that subject) when I cannot spell to save my life. I guess my examiner was drunk, just like I was when spelling your user-name wrong.

Either that or I was so driven by anger that I was typing so fast trying to fit everything that was making me angry onto the post that I didn't check the spelling. Even with a spell-check on my browser I still get my spelling completely wrong....

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Nah, don't worry about it, I just felt like getting nit-picky.


An A*? Nice one, I got a B.

A year early though. mini/bigsmile

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From the Wibbly-Wobbly-Timey-Wimey department:
"The Tenth Doctor to Wed His Young Female Clone"

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Heh, congrats to him.

What's funny is that the girls mother was an actress in "The Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy", her dad was The Fifth Doctor, and her husband is the Tenth Doctor.

If they have a kid, I want him/her to be a Doctor/Companion when they're older.

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BUMP

Just thought that those who were scarred by 'Love and Monsters' too may like this (WARNING: Some naughty words)
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- although I think the Angels Two-Parter from Series 5 was FAR worse....maybe I should publish my own review...

I've also been listening to all the classic Doctor Who Theme tunes. All are incredibly retro and incredibly awesome, but my favourite is definitely the original 6th Doctor Theme.

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I just watched the first two episodes of Doctor Who: Season One, which brings my grand total of episodes viewed to three. The first one I watched was way better. These two are making me REALLY hope that Doctor Who really is what it's all hyped up to be. Yuck. Horrible acting so far (except for the first one I watched).

Can't wait till I get up to 'Blink.'

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Just watched the Doctor Who Comic Relief Special. I cant really criticise it, because no doubt Moffat wrote it within a very short time (although there is no difference in writing style) and the cast and crew were not paid as its all for charity - which is a brilliant cause.

But...it wasn't funny, so it failed at its basic objective. The farcical situation could have been nice, but there was no charm: The running joke is that Amy is wearing a short skirt - which distracts everyone because apparently the Doctor, Rory, and Amy's Driving Instructor (why mention this?) are perverts.

You know...for kids!

The Doctor tries to whack up the intensity by saying that "Time will collapse!!"...which he says every other episode anyway. The whole thing is too short to be intense, so it should just a quick little comedy...which is isn't!

My only real nitpick is: Why is it that when the Doctor first goes through the TARDIS he instantly arrives back inside, but when everyone else goes through it they vanish for various amounts of time?

As I said - I cant really criticise it, because its for charity. And none of the Comic Relief specials have ever been good, so I guess its kinda pointless to assume that this is something extra special....

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Doctor who hasn't been good for years. Series 1 and 2 were okay but since then the stories have become weaker and they seem to be aiming them at a younger audience. I really cant remember the last time they had a legitimately scary story line. The whole point in Doctor who is to scare people, non of this comedy crap they chuck out these days. And the stories are all just remakes of previous story lines. The Tardis lands inside the Tardis story was done way back in the 80's. If it wasn't for Amy Pond's amazing legs i wouldn't even have bothered watching the Comic relief special.
I realised ages ago that Torchwood is the only good interpretation of the doctor who universe. At least it had gritty realism and they weren't afraid to push the boundaries of what can be broadcast. I just hope whichever American company got the rights to the next series doesn't butcher it too badly.

And those Doctor who games were just a waste of tax payers money. Buggy as hell and they weren't even fun. Not to mention they don't run on Linux despite the fact Linux users pay for their damn TV licences too.

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Blink, I would argue, was legitimately scary, at least during the first viewing. I'm sure there are other such episodes, but that's the first that comes to mind.

I would debate your claims that Doctor Who hasn't been good for years, the stories are weaker, and it's now aimed at a younger audience, but you paint with such a broad brush it's impossible to deal with specificities.

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I actually think Series 3 is the best. Episode 1 was a brilliant introduction to Martha Jones, and had an interesting story of the hospital being abducted as they search for a criminal. Well...I liked it, but I was quite young at the time. Episode 2 was a good historical piece, but went overboard in the whole it-was-actually-the-Doctor-who-inspired-Shakespeare thing (which I HATE whenever they visit a historical figure - like how it was actually Amy who inspired Van Gough, and it was Donna who inspired Agathe Cristie's Miss Marple). Episode 3 was OK and had a distorted anti-drug message that didn't really work.

Episode 4 pulled us straight into the Daleks - and had a brilliant story of survival in how the Daleks must evolve, but they fail because the other Daleks are not able to understand the Human Daleks emotions. Episode 5 built on this - and actually showed how to kill a Dalek (because up until this point, the new Daleks had been practically indestructible).

Episode 6 tried to deal with the concept of age....but it wasn't particularly memorable. Episode 7 was actually really intense, although I didn't get the whole 'Sun Monster' thing.

Episode 8 and 9 are two of my favourites of all time. I loved how it shows what the Doctors life could be like as a human, and also how vulnerable he is as a human - which adds much more suspense as before its just the Doctor pulling a solution out of his a$$ (or at least, that's what the Series 5 is like). It also has a brilliant pre-war feel, and a really powerful sequence where the children obliterate an army of Scarecrows - which brilliantly foreshadows the war to come. Plus - it actually pulls off the concept of animated scarecrows brilliantly. Its one of the best developed Episodes of all time (IMO), and that may be because it was based on a novel about the Eighth Doctor going through the same process.

I think it was a genius choice to follow two incredibly strong episodes with the strongest. I cannot really add anything to Episode 10 ('Blink'). Its the scariest Episode I have seen (only matched by 'The Empty Child') and considering the Doctor hardly appears...is a HUGE achievement in writing. The Stone Angels are by far the most frightening monsters - which is why I lost all hope for Doctor Who when Moffat ruined them. They never should have re-appeared, as I knew it would be less intense with the Doctor battling against them - who is much more able to destroy them, but just runs away like an idiot - and the Angels gimmick of chasing you with that vampire-like-face would get old instantly. And I was right.

The 'The Master Trilogy' works brilliantly as a Three Act 2.5 Hour story. I love The Master. I know many people stopped taking him seriously once he started dancing around to the Scissor Sisters, but wouldn't you do that if you were ruler of the world? I really liked seeing the end of the Universe, and how the British Public was easily deceived by The Master - which satisfied my own political opinion (that politicians are all liers...not that the Prime Minister is an evil time lord). Finally, I liked how Earth was like the end of the universe by the final Act. The only thing I hated was the confusion of the Doctors 'Re-Birth'. I liked how he was effectively tortured and turned older and older, but I have no idea what the Ark Angel network was or how it worked. Its never explained. And the climax was logical and made perfect sense, unlike Series 5...

Overall, its my favourite just because it has such strong Episodes. The fact it has 6 brilliantly written episodes in a row means it leaves a great lasting impression of the Series. It has filler, sure, but the filler is still great to watch, and is building up to in my opinion - the highest point of the new Doctor Who. Series 3, in my opinion, was the best Doctor Who ever got.

Series 4 wasn't as good. It was much better than Series 5, but it just didn't have as many strong episodes. I can barely remember them, not because they were bad, but because they were just forgettable. I really liked 'The Doctors Daughter' though, as it had a brilliant twist and played with the Doctor actually having a sibling.

Now, the specials. I thought the Christmas one was silly, at points bordering on so silly its awesome (the giant 'Transformer Cyberman' had me in stitches). I thought the Easer one had some good suspense, and an interesting temporary companion who we, unfortunately, will never see again. I loved the 'Waters of Mars' Special - it really played on how the Doctor shouldn't interfere with Historical events, yet its pretty much his goal in life to save the Universe. In the end, it gave us a Doctor we had never seen before - one who realises he is the last Time Lord and therefore technically controls time. But in the end he realises that its not his role to control time. The Christmas/New Year Specials were pretty good. The 'Everyone in the world is the Master' plot-point was another hilariously silly moment. It was interesting having the Time Lords return, but they went away just as quickly. In the end, the Doctors death was drawn out - and fan-boys everywhere cried when they saw their heroic Doctor completely wimp out (the equivalent of Darth Vader crying "NOOOOO!!!!"). But other than that, it was a nice closure to the Tenth Doctors reign.

And we reach Series 5. It just sucked. Episode 1 was OK and actually gave me good expectations. Episode 2 was a disappointment. Episode 3 was terrible. Episode 4 and 5 were the lowest point in recent Doctor Who history. Episode 6 was a little better, but only because anything is better after that. Episode 7 could have been awesome, but was not. Episode 8 and 9 were lame. Episode 10 was by far the best - but still not nearly as good. Episode 11 was a stupid diversion, which is a shame because James Corden deserved better. Episode 12 hit the lowest point once again, and Episode 13 was just a mess.

And the Christmas Special was awful, although it could have been worse.

I'm giving Series 6 a chance, but if it doesn't get better then I'm going to give up on Doctor Who.

Oh, and I haven't seen all of 'Torchwood', but from what I have seen - its actually really good. I loved the 'Children of Earth' Series, which had some of the strongest writing I have ever seen, including the incredible dilemma of which children should they sacrifice. Its quite honestly brilliant.

And those Doctor who games were just a waste of tax payers money. Buggy as hell and they weren't even fun.

I agree. Your character controls like a Car, the story sucks, the actors clearly dont care, and CYBERMEN DON'T SHOOT LIGHTNING!! I'm serious, I'm getting killed by SITH LIGHTNING!! Cybermen can only electrocute by touching you!! They cant shoot lightning across a room!! Thats stupid and unfair!

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Max Butcher wrote:

The Stone Angels are by far the most frightening monsters - which is why I lost all hope for Doctor Who when Moffat ruined them.

Weeping angels were a Moffat monster since the start, he created them.

From my point of view all of the newer series are good, so the latest had a hard act to follow. Series 6 looks a lot better from the preview at christmas.
Also, I think that there was no effect of little dumbledore touching big dumbledore because it only changed his personality, not his living/dead state. It would only make it worse if the reapers (is that their name?) were around, they were probably at some other point in time at this point, anyway, it would have wrecked the storyline.

I can't believe I hadn't found this thread earlier.

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I agree Blink was good, as was The Empty Child and Dalek. But they will never be as scary as the old black and white episodes. Despite the fact they had massively lower budgets something about 'em always seem to scare the crap out of me. I'm going to have to say the Empty child was the most successful of the new incarnation though, kept me at the edge of my seat the whole time.
I also agree that the Scarecrow episodes were good, they were actually well written and directed unlike half the others in that series. I really like period dramas, so any episode that goes back in time and actually creates a decent atmosphere wins extra points.
But it still doesn't stop me hating the whole comedy act Tennant and Smith have done in their roles. They take the childishness too far.

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I'm a new fan of Doctor Who and is currently trying to watch alot of the Episodes on the computer. Can someone please give me some tips for Episodes I should watch to call me a real fan? I've seen all the Episodes from Series 5 and I love every Episode. I've watched The Empty Child and the episode after. I've seen Waters on Mars and The End of Time Episodes. I have also offcourse seen Blink. You got some more tips for me? Maybe an old classic from the 70s?