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Sontarans are awesome, they should use them again one time.
-Aled
If you also watch that Sarah Jane adventures show (indeed i am sad) then you will see that they've been overdoing the sontarans
Episode 2 was pretty good.
Again, the ending had plotholes. Mainly: THE F'ING QUEEN ABDICATED!! Surely the ship has gone to the dogs without her? And what about this Nazi-style world of terror where no-one knew what was happening? The episode - like the last one, just ends before we know what happened to anyone else. Sure, Amy and the Doctor are all fine - and they frolick back into the Tardis, but I KNEW they would do that. We all know that at the end of the episode they will just hop back into the Tardis and go somewhere else. What I care about is that the Doctor has put everything right in the end - thats what he's SUPPOSED TO DO! The new Doctor doesnt seem nearly as heroic when we dont see what good he has done. Christopher Eccleson (sp?) often acknowleged what he had done, as did Tennant. We saw clear evidence that eveything was fine and the Doctor had fixed the world he was helping. But here, they save the whale and...just....leave. He talks with Amy for a bit about how she could have destoryed the entire ship, but they never say what the state of the ship is now. We dont even see. They refuse to put in a shot showing what has become of Lizzie 10 (yes, because the Queen is the most powerfull person in Britian. Thats why we have the Goverment, right?) and her kiddie freind.
But nope. Who cares about if an entire civilization is forced to live like savages because there is no-one to control them - WINSTON CHURCHILL IS ON THE PHONE!!
And, how many apocalypses is the world going to go through in the future? We had the world ending in 1.2, and then we had the human race reduced to a wasteland due to the demise of Sattelite 5 in 1.12, followed by the Dalek invasion in 1.13. So I guess Britain managed to fix itself before getting reduced to "sheep on a diet of television" and torn apart by Daleks before getting fried by the sun. Unless it was because of the Daleks that Britain was forced to travel on a ship. Or was it because of the demise of Sattelite 5? Or did this all happen after the invasion?
Really, it would have been best to just set this episode somewhere else. The fact that all of Britian was in one place (BTW: They missed out Sussex, which I am very annoyed about) is nice, but it contributed NOTHING to the story. It just seems wrong to have Britain reduced to a few thousand people, and then when the world ends everyone is back where they were before.
Finally, how did Amy know how to solve everything in the space of five seconds? Rose would have spent a few weeks, Martha a few days, Donna a few centuries, but WOW Amy's intelligent! And how did a Whale know that children were crying? And how exactly can a whale who cant even communicate with humans VOLENTEER to drive the ship? Is there an enrolment desk, or did it have to register online?
But was still a good episode. I'm just nitpicking here. Anyway - DALEKS NEXT!!! I LOVE DALEKS!!! This should be awesome!!
-MRB
Last edited by Max Butcher (April 10, 2010 (01:40pm))
I think you're creating a few nits that didn't even exist. What happened to the ship is heavily implied. The Starwhale will continue flying until the humans find a suitable planet. The Queen is still the Queen as she never properly abdicated she was forced into it by Emily. How are they living like savages? :S
It is heavily implied that the dystopian government will cease to hide the knowledge as they are no longer torturing the whale also I think a big reason we didn't have a few scenes showing the ending was because of the shot of the huge hull fracture which highly suggested it is going to appear in another episode. But yeah tried your hardest to find problems with the episode and ended up finding stuff that aren't problems and treating them as such 
I never remember them saying anything about what actually happened, we just use logic that they all lived happily ever after. The only hint we get is that the ship is just flying as normal. We can assume that everyone learns the truth and begins to create a better society - but we are never shown this. Though if there is plans for the ship to return in another episode, then maybe things dont go so well....
Though, maybe I just missed some dialogue or something at the end. Either that or we are made to assume everyone lived happily ever after, and Moffat believes that we are intelligent enough to gather that all is well. Sure, it IMPLIES that all is well, but the older series SHOWED this. They didnt say what happened to everybody, but they showed SOMETHING.
Again, maybe I just need to watch both the episodes again. Part of the reason why I think Series 3 was genius was because I re-watched each episode several times and so perfectly understand each episode - whilst have not re-watched Series 4, so cannot draw a comparison.
EDIT: On reflection, Episode 1 didnt need much explanation of if everyones alright. And I'm reserving judgement on Episode 2 unless the ship doesnt show up again - and it may not so so for a while. But hey, can you imagine how awesome it would be for the Doctor to return to the ship and find a mini-war between two factions wanting controll of the ship? I want to see that!
-MRB
Last edited by Max Butcher (April 10, 2010 (02:17pm))
Matt Smith is a very good Doctor. I like him.
The following is quite spoilery:
I was disappointed with this episode, because it was written by Stephen 'Mr Scary' Moffat. It started off so well, with this creepy teacher and all seeing figure with a creepy turning head that has evil eyes. I was prepared to be scared witless.
But they were just sitting in the background for the whole episode. Suddenly, they stand up! That could be fantastically creepy... but oh no they just get shot straight away. Look they're repairing themselv- oh no, let's run away instead. Look, there's more of the- but oh no they get shot again.
The plot was a bit loose, but it worked. At least the whale was saved (but why did it go faster when they stopped whipping it? Surely that's the opposite of what it should do). I didn't like the Doctor suddenly getting angry (that's not very Doctor), but he was very old-school in his attitude for most of the episode.
Still, Daleks in the trenches? Next week looks good.
Episode 2 was pretty good.
Again, the ending had plotholes. Mainly: THE F'ING QUEEN ABDICATED!! Surely the ship has gone to the dogs without her? And what about this Nazi-style world of terror where no-one knew what was happening? The episode - like the last one, just ends before we know what happened to anyone else. Sure, Amy and the Doctor are all fine - and they frolick back into the Tardis, but I KNEW they would do that. We all know that at the end of the episode they will just hop back into the Tardis and go somewhere else. What I care about is that the Doctor has put everything right in the end - thats what he's SUPPOSED TO DO! The new Doctor doesnt seem nearly as heroic when we dont see what good he has done. Christopher Eccleson (sp?) often acknowleged what he had done, as did Tennant. We saw clear evidence that eveything was fine and the Doctor had fixed the world he was helping. But here, they save the whale and...just....leave. He talks with Amy for a bit about how she could have destoryed the entire ship, but they never say what the state of the ship is now. We dont even see. They refuse to put in a shot showing what has become of Lizzie 10 (yes, because the Queen is the most powerfull person in Britian. Thats why we have the Goverment, right?) and her kiddie freind.
But nope. Who cares about if an entire civilization is forced to live like savages because there is no-one to control them - WINSTON CHURCHILL IS ON THE PHONE!!
And, how many apocalypses is the world going to go through in the future? We had the world ending in 1.2, and then we had the human race reduced to a wasteland due to the demise of Sattelite 5 in 1.12, followed by the Dalek invasion in 1.13. So I guess Britain managed to fix itself before getting reduced to "sheep on a diet of television" and torn apart by Daleks before getting fried by the sun. Unless it was because of the Daleks that Britain was forced to travel on a ship. Or was it because of the demise of Sattelite 5? Or did this all happen after the invasion?
Really, it would have been best to just set this episode somewhere else. The fact that all of Britian was in one place (BTW: They missed out Sussex, which I am very annoyed about) is nice, but it contributed NOTHING to the story. It just seems wrong to have Britain reduced to a few thousand people, and then when the world ends everyone is back where they were before.
Finally, how did Amy know how to solve everything in the space of five seconds? Rose would have spent a few weeks, Martha a few days, Donna a few centuries, but WOW Amy's intelligent! And how did a Whale know that children were crying? And how exactly can a whale who cant even communicate with humans VOLENTEER to drive the ship? Is there an enrolment desk, or did it have to register online?
But was still a good episode. I'm just nitpicking here. Anyway - DALEKS NEXT!!! I LOVE DALEKS!!! This should be awesome!!
-MRB
I felt that the ending had a sort of emptyness to it...i was expecting there to be more but it suddenly ends, i mean in this plotline saving the day was too easy. When i had finished watching it i put my remote down, stood up and said "That was easy". Then i ate some pie.
Oh yeah, when it ended, the camera zoomed in on a crack in the ship. Why?
The only hint we get is that the ship is just flying as normal.
No we don't. Didn't you see the huge crack in the ships hull and the sinister build up to it? Also I'm really confused to why you are annoyed about not being showed the aftermath because it's not hugely important and anyway we saw crack in the ships hull with light pouring out implying all is not well and it'll return later in the season.
I didn't like the Doctor suddenly getting angry (that's not very Doctor)
Wait... waat?
He's always gotten angry from William Hartnell (who was very angry/grumpy) and Tennant got angry a lot of times
And Christopher Eccleston did that.
Can't wait for that WW2 one, looks great!
Max Butcher wrote:The only hint we get is that the ship is just flying as normal.
No we don't. Didn't you see the huge crack in the ships hull and the sinister build up to it? Also I'm really confused to why you are annoyed about not being showed the aftermath because it's not hugely important and anyway we saw crack in the ships hull with light pouring out implying all is not well and it'll return later in the season.
Hazzat wrote:I didn't like the Doctor suddenly getting angry (that's not very Doctor)
Wait... waat?
He's always gotten angry from William Hartnell (who was very angry/grumpy) and Tennant got angry a lot of times
I think he means a sort of snappy angry like this 
In this episode he got 
type of angry. I was very freaked about the the 3 faced people. Especially when they got up. I mean even the smile they have is a bit sinister...
I didn't like the Doctor suddenly getting angry (that's not very Doctor)
I did think that sudden burst of anger was uncalled for. It was kinda like "Doctor we need t-" "SHUT UP AMY!!". Sure, the first doctor did that, but he was a grumpy old man. Tennant and Eccleston did get angry, but they had a reason (telling people off for killing people, confronting Daleks, telling his companion off for being stupid, confronting Daleks, telling people off for killing people.....)
Also I'm really confused to why you are annoyed about not being showed the aftermath because it's not hugely important and anyway we saw crack in the ships hull with light pouring out implying all is not well and it'll return later in the season.
I understand that the plot may have been open for another episode, and so the ending may have deliberately just made us assume that everything was back to 'norman' so when we return it is not so. During my original nitpicking session, I forgot about the crack at the end - I didnt really get it at all untill later and straight afterward they had a preveiw of the next episode starring DALEKS which made me forget about my confusion to let out a loud fan-boy squeal of delight. This is why I refused to do media studies at College - its a bit bad when you forget a major plot-point because of pepper-pots and Winston Churchill, isnt it?
But one thing that still annoys me is that we have ben given two very sudden and non-conclusive endings in a row. Both episodes feel rushed - they just end. We arrive at the location, the scene is set, the story slowly builds up, we have a climax, and then it just ends. We are not given a moment to relax and reflect and get any sense of the situation being resolved before its off to the next episode. I'd rather they cut the scene of the Doctor talking to Churchill and replaced it with more of that scene when they are standing looking over the city. Thats good, thats a start - but that scene was far too quick and nothing was really explained. It felt like half of that scene had been cut. The same with last episode, there is a nice build-up, they fight the alien, then the eyeball is scared away, the doctor leaves, come back two years later, and the episode ends. We have no idea where the Alien had come from, what the eyeball thing was, what the Alien had done - these are things that would have been explained before. Its very flawed writing in my opinion.
I look forward to the Dalek episode, which is by a different writer who hopefully had much more time to write his script more carefully.
Then i ate some pie.
STICK IT ON YOUR HEAD!!
-MRB
I'm sorry, but what the hell just happened?!??!
I can't follow the new series, mainly because of the characters. They show no emotion...
It was like:
Girl crying. Ima steal her pad lol. Glass on floor. Another glass on floor. Lots of glasses on floor. Ooh a big zappy brain thingy. Kill the whale. Amy's goin to thaat button. !@#$ WHAT THE !@#$ DID YOU JUST DO AMY?!. Oh look, the ship didn't splode. Leaving now.
It just.... Didn't flow..
It helps if you listen to the dialogue.
Yeah, it'd be great if I could.
Matt mumbles all the time. It sucks, because I really wanted to like this series.
That was...quite good. I have faith in this series for now.
Regarding the crack, that seems to be the story arc. There was a crack in amy's bedroom, there is a crack in the ship, the enemy in the last episode said that "The universe is cracked,". This is in line with the "Bad Wolf" arc in series 1.
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Cracks
Last edited by Just_a_Minifig (April 11, 2010 (01:57pm))
Wow, that's a good theory. I'll be looking out for cracks in future episodes (olol that sounds weird).
So this means we wont see the ship again?
I feel a very long and angry rant building......
-MRB
Max Butcher? Ranting? Say it ain't so!
STICK IT ON YOUR HEAD!!
Intresting...
Enjoying the episode but can't wait for Max's and Bricky's hatred. Glad to see the original Dalek models back.
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