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@megagill - Sounded pretty good. The trumpets were kinda digital sounding, but overall good.

Just curious, but what kind of programs do you guys use when writing music (anyone can answer)? Or is everything done with actual instruments and musicians? Or a cross of both? I've been thinking about getting into scoring, but I'm not sure what the best way to get started would be. I do have some background in music.

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legoguy501 wrote:

Just curious, but what kind of programs do you guys use when writing music (anyone can answer)? Or is everything done with actual instruments and musicians? Or a cross of both? I've been thinking about getting into scoring, but I'm not sure what the best way to get started would be. I do have some background in music.

Dyland wrote:

Currently I just record things on my high-end Casio electronic keyboard using my Blue Yeti microphone. I do have a MIDI to USB cable for the keyboard, however, don't have a program with good samples/instruments that I like... Also, the keyboard comes with samples of it's own, and I kind of want a program that'll be able to utilize those as well. Most that I've seen so far don't mention piano-sample compatibility.

I do plan on looking into some music programs this fall/winter. So, any suggestions there would help me as well.

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I currently use Cubase elements, meaning I can only compose for 8 separate instrument tracks. But I will be upgrading to cubase aritst very soon. For sample libraries, I'm limited to simple orchestral articulations with Cinesymphony lite and some other (awful sounding) samples from the my free X-pand 2 plug-in. I use a very simple laptop (i5- 2.6ghz duel core 8gb ram) and an oxygen-25 key midi keyboard for note input.

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It's been a while...
Here's my soundtrack to Jampot Studios' "The Defenders"
https://soundcloud.com/guy-commanderson … enders-ost

Also, here's a little thing I did for Christmas:
https://soundcloud.com/guy-commanderson/white-christmas

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@If I Were A Minifig, you are an excellent composer. Fantastic work on the score, as always, and that is a really beautiful version of a White Christmas.

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Here's a little something new...
https://soundcloud.com/guy-commanderson … alcon-test

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If anybody is interested, I need a composer for my videos. So send me a message if you're interested!:)

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I used to be active on this forum a long time ago (like two years), but school and other things have gotten in the way.

Anyhow, this past year I've been part of a live action movie production titled "Tjärnen Näck". It's a swedish movie, and even though there's not really a good translation for "Tjärnen Näck", in english it's titled "The Violin of the Forest Lake".

The Story (As translated from the official facebook page):
When it's decided that the school in the small village of Fälamog will be reopened, eleven year old Agnes is for some reasonnot allowed to attend. She decides to start her own school instead, which leads to many secrets from the past is revealed. Most of them seems to be connected to the mysterious forest lake "Tjärnen Näck"

I had a small role in the film, and helped out with most of the work behind camera, but my main job was to write all of the music. This is my first time ever composing for a film, and I'd love it if I could get some feedback on my work. Brickfilms is how I first got into filmmaking, and I'm pretty sure it's what I'd like to work with in the future as well.

This is the link. If you could take a couple of minutes and listen to some of the tracks I'd really appreciate it mini/smile
https://soundcloud.com/m-ns-saari-jonss … k-extended

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So... Just found this... here's my soundcloud:
https://soundcloud.com/cooked-cat

I am pretty keen to score too...

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SurfSmurf778 wrote:

I used to be active on this forum a long time ago (like two years), but school and other things have gotten in the way.

Anyhow, this past year I've been part of a live action movie production titled "Tjärnen Näck". ......   If you could take a couple of minutes and listen to some of the tracks I'd really appreciate it mini/smile

I listened to it, and enjoyed it, I though it was very nice, and quite well done. mini/smile
The only thing I noticed was that all the tracks were very similar in feel and pacing, (ie. nothing really dramatic) but I assume that has to do with the structure/narative of the film itself.


As a question to the film score-ers on this web site, what kinds of resources are there for someone (Me) who wants to learn about film scoring, and how did you guys get started?

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SurfSmurf778
Very nice sound design. It was smooth and cool, and made me want to explore the film. Well done.

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I don't know about your experience in music, but that's a god place to start. If you have a piano at home, or want to get an electric keyboard, you should do that. And then just play around with it.

If, on the other hand, you already have a background in music. I would still recommend getting an electric keyboard. Korg produces some very nice ones (I personally use a Korg Krome). That in combination with a nice microphone, and Audacity, should set you up nicely.

Then just ask around. Keep an eye on the production thread, find a film that looks interesting to you, and send the creator a PM saying you'd like to score their film. Most people are surprisingly receptive to that. Once you build a reputation, people will start coming to you.

Is any of that helpful?

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If I Were A Minifing
Thanks for the advice, I realize I should have stated my music background/experience.

I can play the piano and some guitar, I have an old M-audio Keystation pro 88, a Samson Q2U microphone, GarageBand (with all the jam packs), and Audacity.  I can read music, and have basic theory knowledge.

what I'm having trouble with is the composing part. mini/confused
i.e. what kinds of notes, instruments, intervals, harmonies, melodies, etc.. go where/with what types of visuals.

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MarkNelsonMovies wrote:

what I'm having trouble with is the composing part. mini/confused
i.e. what kinds of notes, instruments, intervals, harmonies, melodies, etc.. go where/with what types of visuals.

One of the best ways to improve on this skill is to learn by example. Watch as many movies/brickfilms that you can!

Right from the start (especially with brickfilms) you should be able to easily find examples that will inspire you (composing and editing was done similar to your own tastes) and ones that don't. (composing and editing that you personally wouldn't have chosen)

Personally, I think that when it comes to scoring a scene, it all comes down to process of elimination. Think of different ways you could approach the scene musically. Whichever ways don't work throw out. Whatever sticks - take a second look at it. Improve it if possible, and keep thinking of alternative motifs.

Composing for a narrative is just like writing a symphony - there can be many parts, simple or complex, but, what they all have in common is a recurring motif. This "motif" could be for the main character, the main conflict, a certain location... etc.

MarkNelsonMovies wrote:

I can read music, and have basic theory knowledge.

This is more than I had when I first tried out scoring in 2011. However, I soon learned major and minor scales, and began to study music theory. Now, I can even read sheet music! mini/smile None of these were required from the beginning, though.

If you're stuck working on a specific scene right now (or in the future) I say, watch it over and over until you have a mood or feeling. As a composer, it's your job to recreate and compliment that mood by scoring to the scene. And, "scoring to the scene" could mean anything from having a full orchestra belt out all at once, to having no music at all!

In the end, music is just another piece to the puzzle. It carries the same weight as the visuals, acting, or any other major element of a film/brickfilm. The worst thing it can do is not fit in. You have to look at a scene like a mixing bowl. Choose just the right ingredients to make the dish the best it can be.

Other than that, there's not really much else that can be said about film scoring. It's very subjective and takes some talent and experience to really bring out satisfying results.

Here's the latest brickfilm I scored, De Mortem It's rather short, and was made for the latest THAC contest. Give it a watch/listen. What do you like about the scoring? What don't you like about the scoring? ... Starting with questions like this can only help get you started, and more familiar, with expressing your thoughts and emotions through melody.

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Dyland makes an excellent point; several actually.

One of the things that I often do when I receive a new scene to score, is to just watch it silently (assuming there is not any audio yet). As you watch it, think of music you already know that feels appropriate for the scenes. This was the method I used for Rioforce's prize winning film Sola Luna . For the opening, my brother (a fabulous pianist) had recorded a Rachmaninov piece that I came to mind and ended up fitting the film suspiciously well. The middle section was inspired by the "Nemo Egg" piece from the Finding Nemo soundtrack, as well as a little thematic material from Bernstein's "Chichester Psalms." The music for third portion of the film

Spoiler (click to read)

after the explosion

contains a motif "pirated" almost directly out of the HALO 4 soundtrack.

As Dyland said, finding music soundtrack styles you like is important to knowing your own scoring style. Early on, I would suggest heavily chord based compositions. Finding a specific progression you like, then making a melody that fits those chords. More detailed melodic writing will come later. Can't wait to see (or perhaps hear) what you come up with!

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If I Were A Minifig wrote:

I would suggest heavily chord based compositions. Finding a specific progression you like, then making a melody that fits those chords. More detailed melodic writing will come later. Can't wait to see (or perhaps hear) what you come up with!

To add to If I Were A Minifig's great point...

I usually approach music from a chord-based standpoint as well. And the less notes you can use at once, the better! If you actually take a look at a more complex composition, such as John William's Superman Theme, you'll notice that during the main "march" you have low strings and drums for the main beat, high strings and horns complimenting that, a main horn section, some added percussion and chimes, and even other instruments, all playing different things at the same time. (Often in a call and response sort of way) This is very hard to do - whether your conducting an orchestra of 25+ people, or recording it all yourself multi-track.

You don't want to start out composing like this, because, it's harder to make it sound good, and, thus, isn't as easy to learn and improve from. It would be better to try out composing in a much more minimalist capacity, perfectly exemplified in John William's Krypton Theme, or, a lot of Hans Zimmer's scores of the past decade.

Both of those big-time composers know how to work an orchestra; using the majority of the instruments to produce the main elements of their "story," and having just minimal else add "color" and "flavor" to the rest of the piece - spicing it up only when necessary.

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I just found some of my old recordings from the 1990s.  There's one really wild track that I made with the help of an Oberheim Matrix 1000 synth controller and a Yamaha Keyboard.  It's intense but might sound cool in an action-filled sci-fi movie.  I'll see if I can get some of these gems posted online somewhere.

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More music from Jampot Studios "The Defenders" coming soon...

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Well, it's not Defenders, but it's some stuff I've been working on...

This was a track for a 30 sec, student-made Dodge commercial. I've never seen the final product, but hey... it's kinda professional... ish. mini/lol
https://soundcloud.com/guy-commanderson … r-the-hood

And here's a soundscape test I did:
https://soundcloud.com/guy-commanderson/sound-escape

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I like the dodge one. sounds good.  sorta cheerful.

the soundscape seems pretty neat too.  I dont really know much when it comes to music to be able to offer helpful advice. what software and hardware did you use?
here's my latest one:
https://soundcloud.com/cooked-cat/symphony-in-d-minor

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Hey all. Just wanted to see if I could get some feedback on my latest instrumental. This isn't for a film or anything, it's just pieces of music that I've made while doing improv piano.

https://soundcloud.com/tenny1027/untitled-song-1