Re: Why is STAR WARS different?

dude

the redlettermedia video thoroughly explains why people don't like the star wars prequels

just watch the dang video if you really want to know why people don't like the prequels

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The thing about the prequels is that it's a jumbled up, over complicated mess. Let's take the original trilogy.

Who is the hero? Luke Skywalker.
Who is the villain? Darth Vader.
Han Solo, who is he? Well, he's the supporting hero.
Let's take A New Hope, what's the goal of the heroes? To save the princess and blow up the Death Star.

See, the original trilogy is very simple, to the point, and it does it well. Let's take the prequels.

Who is the hero? Anakin Skywa-wait. Is it Obi-wan? Hmm....
Who is the villain? The empero- wait...but is it Anakin?
Obi-Wan, who is he? Well he's the suppo-but wait...or is he the hero...
Let's take The Phantom Menace, what is the goal of the heroes? To get the treaty signe- wait...is it to destroy the droids and the federation? Hmm...

Now just because the prequels are more complicated doesn't mean it's necessarily worse. Along with the horrible acting (by certain actors who may not like sand) and overused CGI, there's not as much to enjoy in the prequels. There may be some cool action scenes, but they don't make up for the rest of the films.

Re: Why is STAR WARS different?

Just Kidden wrote:

just watch the dang video if you really want to know why people don't like the prequels

Chill bro.

Most people I think have flubs with the prequels due to acting (As you said) and scripting. The story/plot of the films were all very well thought out but when Lucas scripted it he did not do a great job. While intriguing and daring, the poor scripting makes it seem as if the story is poor. Coupled with the bad acting, you get a movie with loads of SFX and a story that is poorly told.

Personally, I don't hate the prequels; I actually like them. They might not be up to par with the original trilogy (Except for Episode III) but they hold their own, especially when up against the current day films.

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Re: Why is STAR WARS different?

Lets hope that episode 7 is better than 1 and 2. In my opinion 3 beats all the others hands down.

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GHB wrote:

I'd like to know what you guys think.

Oh god no you don't know what you've done

Max Butcher will be here any second now for a 5 page explanation of it

In all seriousness though, pretty much all of our opinions fall into the Plinkett reviews of them, they're all pretty long and in depth and if you're seriously going to ignore them after 5 minutes because you 'don't care' but then go on to post 46374 question marks asking why the prequels are considered bad, you might want to rethink things.

But if you want it simply.

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Re: Why is STAR WARS different?

The story was a lot more complex. It was less good vs. evil and more a trade disputes thing. People also didn't like the force being given a scientific explanation. In the original trilogy, a lot of dialogue was adjusted or ad-libbed, like the "I love you" "I know" scene, and in the original Star Wars, Lucas got some guys to polish his dialogue. I don't think he did that in the prequels.

Also, I think part of it was the original trilogy set a really high standard.

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You can't blame the guy for not watching those whole reviews.  The "review" for attack of the clones is almost as long as the movie itself.

Re: Why is STAR WARS different?

I actually enjoy the prequels a little more than the original. BUT, I have kind of lost my faith in all of it. I think there's a thing where, the people who grew up with the originals are only fans of that. (Not strictly) I however grew up on the prequels, I can still remember going to theater with my family to watch Revenge of the Sith. I prefer the prequels.

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I enjoyed the reviews so much more than the actual movies themselves because they are soooo boring, shot very lazily and bland with no excitement or care

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I find that I enjoy the BTS more than the actual film; for any film!

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I'd have to agree with GHB; I think the prequels are to a certain extent given an unfairly bad rap.  Yes, they have many flaws--but so do the originals.  What really annoys me is how loads of people go on about the various bad things in the prequels, while acting as though there are absolutely none in the originals (Ewoks? Plot holes?  The whole "romance" thing between Luke and Leia?  The Empire's very best troops letting themselves get beaten by a bunch of teddy-bears armed with nothing more than sticks and stones?)  Invariably it's always the same things people complain about (usually Jar Jar and 9-year old Anakin), and they go on and on and on about how horrible these things are (seriously people, it's been, what, 14 years now?  Can't you find another movie to hate?).  And say what you will about George Lucas, but you can't claim he hasn't learnt from his mistakes.  People hated Jar Jar and Young Anakin--he made Anakin older, and Jar Jar completely disappears, except when he almost single-handedly helps create the Sith Empire (coincidence?  I think not).

People whine about how Trade Federations and negotiations are boring, but if the Prequels would have been similar to the originals plot-wise, I bet people would be whining about how similar the prequels were to the originals.  And while I think the actual execution of these ideas was somewhat sub-par, I still appreciate that Lucas wanted to do something different and original.  I think many people would still hate the prequels even if they were better.

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You know what the worst Star Wars film of all time is?

Star Trek V: The Final Frontier

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Re: Why is STAR WARS different?

I'm going to to go way off topic and answer the original question.

Galactic Films wrote:

Why are STAR WARS different from other fantasy stories? Is it the special FX? Is it the story?

The story for Star Wars is relatively simple. Particularly the first film.  It's a pretty basic save the princess adventure.  It even has an old wizard type character.  Of course, we do get an interesting and fun twist in the next film, but it's nothing really crazy.

Despite it being relatively simple, I still really like it.  Star Wars films are all my favourite movies.
I think what makes it is its style, which seems to stand out from most other science fiction stories.  It also plays itself more like a fantasy story than a science fiction story.  The music and sound is also a huge part of it.  Without its score I doubt it would be as popular as it is.

This is probably why I love all of the films unlike most people. The over-the-top style, music, and amazing sound is still present in the prequels.

Empire Strikes Back is still the best, though.

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I liked the prequels.  They didn't suck.  There was way too much Jar Jar in episode 1, and I don't like the midichlorian theme, but that's about it.  To see the last of the great Jedi warriors in battles with lots of lightsabers flying is just one awesome thing about the prequels.

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Shh. If he doesn't want to go watch the video he doesn't have to. But

He isn't going to be allowed to ask people since I think everyone will refer him to those reviews. In all fairness, I "liked" the prequels when I was like 11 but always loved the original trilogy, I watched the prequels when I was 14, and hated them. And then saw the reviews.

Basically if your conscious and paying attention to the story, acting, and not just mindlessly watching what I think are awful fight scenes, you start to notice how bad these movies are.

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I don't like the midichlorian theme

That's what the whole thing is about. That's what connects anakin to being the chosen one. You kinda need that.

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Legocloniac477 wrote:

I don't like the midichlorian theme

That's what the whole thing is about. That's what connects anakin to being the chosen one. You kinda need that.

But it didn't have to be like that.

Re: Why is STAR WARS different?

The reason why the prequels suck (aside from "Everything") is the same reason why the sequels are going to suck: because this franchise clearly and decisively ended in 1983.

I'm glad that we're still talking about Star Wars 30 years later though...

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The reason why the prequels suck (aside from "Everything") is the same reason why the sequels are going to suck: because this franchise clearly and decisively ended in 1983.

Agreed. It isn't like Lucas built a large, interesting universe capable of supporting more than a single story.

Personally the thing that still irks me about the prequel trilogy is the way Jedi duels were portrayed. The original trilogy kept the swordplay fairly well grounded; light-saber fights were direct affairs (particularly in the ANH and ROTE) with little to no twirling, whirling, or whatever other bizarre thing no one would actually do in a fight to the death. I get wanting to distract your opponent, but while they're swinging at you probably isn't the best time to worry about that (to the choreographer's credit, Obi Wan does make one unnecessary spin in ANH, though since editorializing the intentions of the OT filmmakers has become accepted practice I would posit that he did this to show his confidence in dealing with Vader).

Of course the duels in the original trilogy were between a barely trained Jedi and a quadriplegic, but intentional or not, the end result was that they felt fast and dangerous. You got the impression that Jedi and Sith were formidable fighters, but never really thought of them as being capable of taking on an army single-handed (no pun intended). I feel like the prequels took the edge away from light-saber battles with an over-reliance on stunts and effects over psudo-realistic swordplay. Jedi and Sith both ended up being ridiculously overpowered... except when convenient for the writers (see Order 66, and this gem). They took the knights of the original trilogy and turned them into superheroes, and I know I'm not alone when I say I'm pretty tired of watching superheroes. That bothers me more than anything else because I suspect the effect on the franchise is irreversible. I don't foresee a return to reasonable duels, and that's a shame.

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This video summarises the prequel trilogies lightsaber duels. Say what you want about the Obi-Wan vs Darth Vader duel: at least they were actually trying to hit each-other (and, to be fair: Alec Guinness was hardly trained, David Prowse could barely see/move in that outfit, and they were both specifically told not to hit too hard because the lightsaber blades kept breaking and the production was running out of money - hence why they couldn't afford a proper swordfighting trainer and a double for David Prowse like in the later films)

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It isn't like Lucas built a large, interesting universe capable of supporting more than a single story.

I actually disagree whenever anyone says this.

OK, I get the expanded universe stuff. Some of the games, comics, and novels are good. But this is because they are like all the Half-Life 2 mods in how they are created by fans and are not supposed to be part of the main canon.

The Original Trilogy, whilst set in an open world, is a very tight story. Since its about the fate of the universe, we don't actually care about all the other people running around. Aside from the excellent scene in the Cantina, we don't meet the average Johnnies who are late for work. The fleshed out universe adds loads to the overall feeling of being in another world - but it doesn't actually service the story. In Film the story and character must always come first, no matter how its told. The feeling of being in an enormous world is what makes Star Wars different, yet that's not the focus of the films. Like a Ninjas secret weapon, it must not be relied on, but it is a deal-breaker.

Once good triumphs over evil - what then? You have this tale about an average farmboy who becomes the saviour of the galaxy and a beacon of hope for the future (and is never called the Chosen One UNLIKE A CERTAIN OTHER HERO WHO IS ACTUALLY JUST A LITTLE SH-sorry...). What then? The Universe gets messed up again and he has to save it again? Lame! Luke settles down with a family and trains his Jedi? Boring! We follow a new set of Jedi? Super-Boring! No matter what route the sequels go in, it will fail. If it rehashes the previous films plot then its a lazy re-tread. If its trying to go in a new direction then its not a Star Wars film and should be a TV show (seriously Lucas, why didn't you make that live action TV series? That would have been loads better!) or a novel, or a game, or a radio-drama, or a play - just something else that doesn't connect it to the main storyline because it doesn't belong there.

Lord of the Rings is a world open to different stories too, but Tolkien never wrote a sequel where we saw what happened after Frodo left with the elves to settle down in a new world - because Tolkien knew that it would make the story stagnant. Yes, he wrote a series of little aside stories in the same way the expanded universe is made of aside-stories - but he never made another novel out of them, which is why I disliked Peter Jacksons The Hobbit because just trying to fit everything into Lord of the Rings means that the original story loses its impact. If your making your film nothing but backstory then don't be surprised when fans skip over it - which is yet another reason why the Star Wars Prequels failed (you could write a 10 volume novel about why the Prequels failed).

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