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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Sméagol]A brickfilm with comparatively high production values used to be a twice-a-year occurrence when I joined the community in 2001, and now there are several per week produced at that level.[/quote]
The community certainly doesn't look dead to me. Sure, it's no longer the frontier it was, but it's grown above and beyond that.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2018 01:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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			<author><![CDATA[thedylandproductions@yahoo.com (Dyland)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2018 21:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Let's discuss the "Who killed the brickfilming community?" article]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[By what standard are we measuring the liveliness of the brickfilming community? And perhaps more importantly, what do we say comprises the brickfilming community in the first place? 

If we look at the raw numbers, there's no denying that brickfilming is at an all-time high. Animators like Titan Bricks, Hickox, and Ulrich are thriving on YouTube with their brickfilms. Fancy Pants, revered by many in this community, has recently pulled off a revival of his channel with steady view counts on each of his new films. BrickBrosProductions is thriving as well, receiving millions of hits on each of their new animations. And the LEGO Group itself is producing more stop-motion videos now than ever before, commissioning the likes of Dylan Woodley to create some of the most visually impressive advertising campaigns.

So, I think it's maybe a stretch to say that the Brickfilming scene is "dead" in the LEGO community. There are still large numbers of mainstream brickfilm creators and viewers alike. 


But perhaps there is a distinction to be made between "lego movies" and "brickfilms"? A method for discerning between the soulless cash-grabs and the true art? A way to separate the weeb trash from the honorable, Brickcrazy-sanctioned anime? 

It's hard to say. But do recognize the paradoxical nature of calling Hickox and the like outsiders, while still bemoaning the community's shift toward "nuanced filmmaking". You can't have your cake and eat it too. :P]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2018 20:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[For what it's worth, I do think the suggestions at the end of the article are worthwhile, and am not really trying to put down Brick Tale's intentions overall. Regardless of whether we've fallen from a [i]golden age[/i] I think it's great if the younger segment of the community (and I don't mean little kids, I mean university age and younger) wants to be active in building things up to be the way they think it should be.

If this community, whether that means BiM or something else, is to be revitalized in a meaningful way it's going to have to come from the next wave of people, not folks like myself who have grown up and gotten jobs in the film and video industry.]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Sméagol)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2018 14:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/378429/#p378429</link>
			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Nathan Wells]That's called clickbait and is a piss poor reason to choose such a title.[/quote]

Ladies and gentlemen, the "golden age" of brickfilmers!]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2018 10:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Let's discuss the "Who killed the brickfilming community?" article]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Whether it's a detail of enough importance to bother criticizing or not, I'd say the headline certainly qualifies as clickbait. And dishonest clickbait, at that. The brickfilming community is not "dead," nor is there a particular person or people you can blame for whatever changes you don't like because the landscape of internet video has changed so dramatically over the last 12 years or so. You were transparently doing it to get attention. Clickbait.

[img]https://i.imgur.com/FF7ke3u.png[/img]

As far as my own hot take on the matter, I think the notion that most people think the period they were most involved was the best period is typically the case, unless you're trusting others who speak lovingly of their own perceived "golden age." My own personal impression would have been that the 2004-2008 time period was the golden age, shortly before YouTube really took off.

A brickfilm with comparatively high production values used to be a twice-a-year occurrence when I joined the community in 2001, and now there are several per week produced at that level. There is just so much mediocre-or-better content being published on the Internet now, and so many different channels for putting it out there, that the slightly more manageable, curated way things used to work isn't possible anymore.]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Sméagol)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 24 Oct 2018 02:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/378421/#p378421</link>
			<description><![CDATA[If we go any farther off topic, we're going to need passports.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2018 23:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Dyland][quote=DudeBrick]...Especially for a family-friendly LEGO stop-motion website...[/quote]

[url=http://www.bricksinmotion.com/forums/topic/19156/brickfilming-discussion-week-5-for-mature-audiences-only/]For Mature Audiences Only?[/url][/quote]

Fair point. But that's more about Brickfilms in general rather than the website? The website may not be 100% "family-friendly", but there could be younger kids around (maybe, maybe not). Nathan also says in that thread "Paragraphs are encouraged! If you are going to participate in this thread, please keep the discussion civil.." Just saying. 

Anyways, I'm done going back and forth Dyland lol. Thanks for a good, civil conversation!]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2018 23:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=DudeBrick]...Especially for a family-friendly LEGO stop-motion website...[/quote]

[url=http://www.bricksinmotion.com/forums/topic/19156/brickfilming-discussion-week-5-for-mature-audiences-only/]For Mature Audiences Only?[/url]]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[thedylandproductions@yahoo.com (Dyland)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2018 22:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote]No. Clickbait is any title/headline/image that grabs attention to the point of "baiting" people into reading/watching/clicking. I didn't mention this in my original post, but the article's headline is a bit clickbaity. A regular "catchy headline" or "impactful hook" is completely different. Words like "killed" and "community," when no one has actually died, aren't that far off from "What Killed Brony Fandom?", "Why the Last Jedi Failed," etc.

I'm not meaning to suppress discussion - only, I'm (as an admin) trying to keep this thread on topic. This could easily divolve into argument from here - and that's not only bad for critical reaction, but also will make the community look bad. Be respectful of everyone's opinion - even if it is in the form of a jest or a put-down. Don't attack their approach just because it may weaken your own argument.[/quote]

I see your point, but I still disagree. And we're not trying to be disrespectful, but calling it a "piss poor reason to choose such a title" is a bit too much don't you think? Especially for a family-friendly LEGO stop-motion website (look I'm 21, I know it's not a "bad word", but still) . Anyways, I appreciate your feedback Dyland.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2018 22:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Brick Tale Studios]I'd also say that your tone here might imply that I've struck a nerve. I know you did not want a thread created for this topic because it allows people to express themselves... Wanting to suppress discussion for any reason doesn't look good on anyone... If an idea you don't like holds no water, then you should have no fear of others being convinced by it.[/quote]

This comes off a bit hypocritical to me, Brick Tale, as you're both criticizing Nathan's succinct and intentionally head-strong banter, while at the same time seemingly putting down his viewpoint by sneeking in references to elitism "suppressed discussions" "letting people expless themselves" and the like. That's not needed on BiM.

[quote=DudeBrick]This isn't really clickbait. Clickbait involves being dishonest and deceptive towards the general audience...[/quote]

No. Clickbait is any title/headline/image that grabs attention to the point of "baiting" people into reading/watching/clicking. I didn't mention this in my original post, but the article's headline is a bit clickbaity. A regular "catchy headline" or "impactful hook" is completely different. Words like "killed" and "community," when no one has actually died, aren't that far off from "What Killed Brony Fandom?", "Why the Last Jedi Failed," etc.

I'm not meaning to suppress discussion - only, I'm (as an admin) trying to keep this thread on topic. This could easily divolve into argument from here - and that's not only bad for critical reaction, but also will make the community look bad. Be respectful of everyone's opinion - even if it is in the form of a jest or a put-down. Don't attack their approach just because it may weaken your own argument.]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[thedylandproductions@yahoo.com (Dyland)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2018 22:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Nathan Wells][quote=Brick Tale Studios]I titled the article the way I did for a two reasons. One was that it was eye catching and got your attention.[/quote]

That's called clickbait and is a piss poor reason to choose such a title.[/quote]

This isn't really clickbait. Clickbait involves being dishonest and deceptive towards the general audience. Matt here gives his honest opinion about why the other lego groups/communities think our brickfilming community is "dead", which leads to the question of "who killed the brickfilming community?" He poses a question and he answers it. A clickbait example title for this would be: Somebody kills brickfilming community, click here to find out who!" and then not answering that question in the article. And no need to be negative about it, it's just people sharing their own opinions and if you can't accept that, there's an issue.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2018 20:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/378411/#p378411</link>
			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Nathan Wells][quote=Brick Tale Studios]I titled the article the way I did for a two reasons. One was that it was eye catching and got your attention.[/quote]

That's called clickbait and is a piss poor reason to choose such a title.[/quote]

You might have a point if it were my only reason for choosing the title. But even then, your accusation mischaracterizes what clickbait actually is. True clickbait is intentionally [i]deceptive[/i] and the motive is almost always viewership for [i]personal[/i] gain. My article is neither of those things. To say that eye catching titles are bad when they headline honest and constructive opinions is to impugn every journalist that's ever published an opinion piece. 

I'd also say that your tone here might imply that I've struck a nerve. I know you did not want a thread created for this topic because it allows people to express themselves in as many words as they need, but assuming you're an open-minded individual, I can't imagine why. Wanting to suppress discussion for any reason doesn't look good on anyone. It signals that their ideas alone aren't good enough to persuade folks on their own and protect the status quo. If an idea you don't like holds no water, then you should have no fear of others being convinced by it.]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Brick Tale Studios)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2018 20:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Good article, but it doesn't seem like the 'LEGO' aspect has been super neglected though. Lots of channels do other LEGO-related stuff. But the community is not dead, at all.

Also, while YouTube did help the community, it has also kind of hurt it in the fact that, back then, LEGO movies got more attention because there was less content on YouTube, and the amount of choices and video genres weren't as large as they are now. Now, you have blogs, gaming, how-to videos, music videos, film, book, and comic analysis videos, trailers, other kinds of short films, and just loads of other stuff to watch. And with all of the other LEGO stuff out there, with channels like juat2god, Ashnflash, BrickVault, JANGIBRICKS, and others, there seems to be more of a focus on LEGO sets and themes than animation, so less people see the animation.

Long story short, There's more stuff to watch on YouTube now than there ever has been, and brickfilms have been pushed to the back shelf to make way for it all.



By the way, the uncapitalized 'k' in the article's title is so distracting. :P]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2018 19:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Nathan Wells][quote=Brick Tale Studios]I titled the article the way I did for a two reasons. One was that it was eye catching and got your attention.[/quote]

That's called clickbait and is a piss poor reason to choose such a title.[/quote]

Ouch]]></description>
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