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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Vintage Lenses in Brickfilming]]></title>
			<link>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/344578/#p344578</link>
			<description><![CDATA[So as not to totally derail this topic, I have created a topic about the most useful lenses for stop motion [url=http://www.bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/344576/#p344576]here[/url], while these Russian lenses are cool and affordable they are a far cry from the best choice or most useful lenses for general animation purposes.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2015 08:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Vintage Lenses in Brickfilming]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[These recommendations seem sensible. I am not sure if they're as affordable, though just getting one 55mm macro lens would be a nice start and that's not too bad.

I will say, I have really had to fuss a lot with diopters and extension tubes to get the shots I want with the Russian lenses. I'd do it again if I want that aesthetic for a particular project, sure, but it's a pain and it'd be nice to just avoid that issue entirely.]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Sméagol)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2015 03:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Vintage Lenses in Brickfilming]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[When you are buying lenses for stop motion try to find lenses you can stop down to f/22 at least, f/32 being ideal. When you do start using extension tubes you may need to stop down all the way, and lenses that can stop down more tend to be sharper then lenses that only stop down to f/16. As Nathan said your third lens should be something wider, somewhere between 18mm - 28mm. 18mm & 20mm will be rather pricey while 24mm & 28mm lenses should be more reasonable.]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (SlothPaladin)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2015 03:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Vintage Lenses in Brickfilming]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[I absolutely agree with Sloth. 55mm, 35mm and 28mm Nikkor prime lens are the lens I got, and they are excellent. The adaptor and extension tube are a must, too.]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Nathan Wells)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2015 21:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Vintage Lenses in Brickfilming]]></title>
			<link>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/344548/#p344548</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I don't think someone's first non kit lens should be one of these Russian lenses, it should be a macro lens and I STRONGLY recommend the Nikkor 55mm Micro f/3.5 lens, that lens plus a  Nikkor to EOS adaptor with a set of extension tubes should be the fprime things someone gets for there new Canon. The great thing about vintage Nikkor is most of the non-micro lenses minimum focal length is 1 foot or (.3m) which is much closer then these Russian lenses. Lens number two should be a 35mm f/2.8.

While the old Russian lenses are cool they are not as useful overall as a practical set of Nikkor primes.

Also don't get the Nikkor 50mm f/1.8 for animation,  it's mostly useless with a really long minimum focal distance.]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (SlothPaladin)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2015 21:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Vintage Lenses in Brickfilming]]></title>
			<link>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/344540/#p344540</link>
			<description><![CDATA[[quote=fartifartek]I have a question. I'm buying Canon EOS 600D (T3i), which is my first DSLR. What lenses would you reccommend me to buy (for of course a reasonable price)? :)[/quote]

As far as this thread's topic goes, I do think the Mir 1-B and Helios are a good value. You'd need the lenses, an "eos to m42" adapter, a 49mm to 52mm step up ring so you can get filters that fit the front, and a set of 52mm diopters to get started with them. I bet you could get all of that for around $200 USD on eBay, not sure what foreign shipping to your country would be like but most of these items typically come from China, Russia, or Ukraine anyway.

When I started this thread I feel like maybe I would have been reluctant to recommend these lenses for a beginner. I feel they're not super versatile, having a baked-in "style" to them; maybe you'd be better off getting some Nikon lenses like the old, manual Nikon 50mm and 24mm lenses, which would require an EOS to Nikon adapter and some 52mm diopters. Those lenses are slightly more expensive, I recommend buying on [url=https://www.keh.com/]KEH[/url] if possible. But they are likely to be slightly less old and they have a more traditional, clean look to their images compared to the Russian lenses. I would say that makes them more versatile.

However, the reason I mention "when I started this thread" is that I've realized after completing a brickfilm with my Russian lenses that the "style" they produce is not as dramatic as I expected because you really have to stop down quite a bit at LEGO scale to get anything in focus, and that reduces the strength of the stylistic look of these lenses. It is there, but it is subtle. So, it may well be that these lenses are a better value for a beginner. We should get some other opinions on that probably.]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Sméagol)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2015 19:31:31 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Vintage Lenses in Brickfilming]]></title>
			<link>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/344537/#p344537</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I have a question. I'm buying Canon EOS 600D (T3i), which is my first DSLR. What lenses would you reccommend me to buy (for of course a reasonable price)? :)]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[legofartek@gmail.com (fartifartek)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2015 19:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Vintage Lenses in Brickfilming]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[Thank Rio and Smeagol for the replies. It helps quite a lot. :)
I think that I might just go for the Helios 44-2 (or similar) lens once I have the funds for it. The price of the Helios lens and adapter combined cost less than the adapter for the Fujica X mount... :/]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Rivvm m)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Vintage Lenses in Brickfilming]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=rioforce][quote=Rivvm m]I have a question that fits in this topic. My mom has some old Fujica X mount lenses, and I have a Canon EOS SL1. I have tried quite a few time to find an adapter for the lenses to work on my camera, but I can only find adapters for Canon lenses to Fujica bodies. Does anyone have any idea where I could find an adapter?[/quote]

[url=https://www.fotodioxpro.com/fotodiox-pro-lens-adapter-with-dandelion-af-focus-confirmation-chip-fujica-x-to-canon-eos-lens-mount-adapter.html]This[/url] is the only one I found. It has an autofocus chip in it for some reason. :/ I looked around, but didn't see just a simple old metal adapter ring, not even on eBay. My guess is that the lenses are not used very often, thus, they don't make many adapters.[/quote]

The problem is [i][url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flange_focal_distance]flange focal distance[/url][/i]. There won't be any good adapter options for that kind of lens to the EF body because the EF mount is further away from the sensor than Fujica X lenses are designed for. (Nikon has the longest flange focal distance there is, which is why almost no non-Nikon lenses work on a Nikon camera.) If the flange distance for a lens mount is LESS than the flange distance of the mount built into the camera, it cannot be properly adapted. That's why the adapter Rio linked has glass in it, to compensate for this discrepancy. Almost without exception, these glass adapters introduce distortion and softness and reflections into the image, ruining the quality of the lens.

It looks like Fujica X has one of the shortest flange distances ever. You might be able to use Fujica X lenses with most Sony or Panasonic cameras without a problem, depending on how the rear element is constructed. But those cameras lack robust support for stop motion-style tethering to a computer.]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Sméagol)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 26 Mar 2015 03:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Vintage Lenses in Brickfilming]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Rivvm m]I have a question that fits in this topic. My mom has some old Fujica X mount lenses, and I have a Canon EOS SL1. I have tried quite a few time to find an adapter for the lenses to work on my camera, but I can only find adapters for Canon lenses to Fujica bodies. Does anyone have any idea where I could find an adapter?[/quote]

[url=https://www.fotodioxpro.com/fotodiox-pro-lens-adapter-with-dandelion-af-focus-confirmation-chip-fujica-x-to-canon-eos-lens-mount-adapter.html]This[/url] is the only one I found. It has an autofocus chip in it for some reason. :/ I looked around, but didn't see just a simple old metal adapter ring, not even on eBay. My guess is that the lenses are not used very often, thus, they don't make many adapters.]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (rioforce)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2015 20:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Vintage Lenses in Brickfilming]]></title>
			<link>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/343632/#p343632</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I have a question that fits in this topic. My mom has some old Fujica X mount lenses, and I have a Canon EOS SL1. I have tried quite a few time to find an adapter for the lenses to work on my camera, but I can only find adapters for Canon lenses to Fujica bodies. Does anyone have any idea where I could find an adapter?]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Rivvm m)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2015 17:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Vintage Lenses in Brickfilming]]></title>
			<link>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/343550/#p343550</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I'll take a think about it, thanks for the informative reply!]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Slurpy)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:58:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/343549/#p343549</link>
			<description><![CDATA[[quote=Slurping Animations]Would you recommend the Helios, or the Mir?[/quote]

The Helios is cheaper. One of the cheapest good lenses out there. The Mir and the Helios are rather similar lenses. It depends on if you want a 58mm or a 37mm, I suppose, for starting out.

The Helios can focus somewhat closer without the help of diopters or extension tubes. It's probably the better bet if you can only buy one right now. But as I said, I found myself using the Mir 37mm more, in order to avoid the excessive "flatness" of the perspective you can get with longer lenses at LEGO scale.]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Sméagol)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Vintage Lenses in Brickfilming]]></title>
			<link>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/343547/#p343547</link>
			<description><![CDATA[I'd be interested in getting the Helios lens, managing to scrounge around ebay and finding one for £29! Pretty cheap, yes?
I may come off as cheap when I say that, but thats mainly from the viewpoint that I am investing in a new DSLR (for photography, not animation) and like many of us; money is tight, and I wouldn't mind getting a good lens for (cheap) good value for money.
Would you recommend the Helios, or the Mir?]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[dummy@example.com (Slurpy)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2015 21:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/343537/#p343537</link>
			<description><![CDATA[[quote=ForlornCreature]These images look fantastic! I saw one of the recent THAC films shot with a Helios (I'm pretty sure it was rioforce's entry), and really wanted to get one of these lenses. This just compounds that interest (that reflection on the baseplate in the second picture tickles my eyes). How much are the extension tubes/diopters that you use?[/quote]

The diopters [url=http://www.adorama.com/VVCL52.html?gclid=CIOvi7ufv8QCFQaQaQod-VsAeQ]are these Vivitar ones[/url], you also need a 49-52mm step-up ring to fit them to both the Helios and the Mir, which I bought on eBay for maybe $3 USD. I got the EOS to m42 adapter for another $4 or so.

Extension tubes, I've been using [url=http://www.amazon.com/Fotodiox-Canon-Extension-Extreme-Close-Ups/dp/B003Y60DZO]Fotodiox ef extension tubes[/url].

I did run into a slight challenge / limitation using the extension tubes and diopters, [url=http://www.bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/343425/#p343425]elaborated upon here.[/url]

I finished my film this past weekend, it will be on the BiM collection. In the end I found myself shooting with the Mir maybe 70% of the time because it gave me a sense of depth at this small scale that was harder to achieve with a longer lens like the Helios. There's a very similar look to both lenses.]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2015 19:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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