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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[Another thing about "Tortoise Wins By a Hare", is that it's one of those cartoons when Bugs Bunny loses.  The "hero" can lose in the earlier Looney Tunes.  By the by, from here on, when I refer to "Looney Tunes", that also includes Merrie Melodies as well.  During the Chuck Jones era, the characters evolved to where Daffy Duck turned egocentric, and became Bugs Bunny's foil.  Bugs never lost in those cartoons.  The only exception is in "Rabbit Rampage", where Elmer Fudd exacts revenge on Bugs by taking the role of the animator and drawing things that cause havoc for him.

In the Chuck Jones era, I prefer to see Daffy in cartoons paired with Porky Pig, where they had unusual but effectively funny chemistry together.  This pairing was probably inspired by the huge amounts of hilarity when they were together in the Bob Clampett cartoon, "Tick Tock Tuckered" (1944), where they try to get a good night's sleep.  They do work well together.  Daffy/Porky Pig team-up cartoons continued all the way deep into the McKimson era.

EDIT: By the way, McKimson was an animator on Tick Tock Tuckered, a quarter century before he presided over the closure of WB's animation studio.]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[HoldingOurOwn]]></name>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[I'll look into this.  If it's about classic cartoons, I'm sure I will enjoy this series.]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[HoldingOurOwn]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-11-20T14:59:58Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[If you love all things Looney Tunes, then you'll probably enjoy [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RzE7atAiaI] this web series on YouTube[/url]. It's a channel mostly about reviewing animated movies, but he's currently working on a very interesting series about the history of certain Looney Tunes characters!]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[William Osborne]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-11-20T00:20:29Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[Today i watched the famous Merrie Melody featuring Bugs Bunny and Cecil Turtle, "Tortoise Wins By a Hare".  This is the second in the Bugs Tortoise & The Hare cartoons, produced by Leon Schlessinger.

So hilarious!  I appreciate them so much more as an adult, and laugh even harder!  This one features a rabbit mafia invested in Bugs Bunny winning the race. "Wes don't even thin that the toitle will finish!"

RABBIT, SCHMABBIT!  YOu'RE THE TOITLE!

RABBIT!
TOITLE!
RABBIT!
TOITLE!
RABBIT!
TOITLE!
RABBBITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!

This is from my own cartoon collection so it was uncensored.]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[HoldingOurOwn]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-11-19T23:57:44Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA["What's up, Doc?"

We all look at that as Bugs Bunny's trademark greeting.

But we've been desensitized over the decades as to why that was so funny.

I hear "Doc" being added to anything he says in any ad he appears in.  We take it for granted.  We have to take ourselves back to a time when there was no Bugs Bunny, and an unsuspecting world met him for the first time.

It was 1940, and Bugs Bunny's first feature, "A Wild Hare", directed by my favorite animation director of all Time, Tex Avery, was released.  Elmer Fudd was out rabbit hunting and met Bugs Bunny, who comes out of his rabbit hole and says, Eh.... What's up, Doc?"  Audiences went wild with hysterical laughter and he became an instant hit.  People would attend movies just to see Bugs saying "What's up, Doc?" before the main feature.  It was something new to film: When faced with impending death, Bugs Bunny responded calmly, almost oblivious to his impending doom.  And he manages to get out of it with an attitude, and never losing his cool.  Over time, "What's up Doc" became trite, but the audiences of 1940 would never forget this unexpected reaction at the end of a gun barrel.

I'm reminded of this because of the recent Lego Dr. Who Death's Head crossover brickfilm recently released.  Death's Head is, in a sense, Elmer Fudd, and Dr. Who is Bugs Bunny, ever calm and never losing his wit even in the face of someone relentlessly trying to kill him.  I particularly like the line where [spoiler]Dr. Who repeats a line, after Death's Head says, "No one ever says that to me twice!" (implying he kills them before they have an opportunity).  Dr. Who had that opportunity and it infuriates Death's Head![/spoiler]  Classic Bugs Bunny!]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[HoldingOurOwn]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-10-03T12:21:58Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: The Classic Animation Thread]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[[quote=Mr Vertigo][url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkNV-0O1ya8]Modern[/url] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZMKdjfAugk]cartoons[/url] have beautiful animation too, you know. ;)[/quote]

The second one (the highway man) to me was more creepy from beginning to end than beautiful.  Feel free to disagree.

I really enjoy the retro look of the new Mickey Mouse series of shorts.  Also, Speaking of Disney's golden age toons, if you like the classic Disney/RKO cartoons, the series they released are in beautiful metal tins, and contain commentaries from Leonard Malton, one of the few critics I tolerate.  The series are half animated shorts and half live-action specials.  Noteworthy is the Choronolgical Donald (Duck), worth getting.  My favorite Donald videos feature his nephews, especially ones where they ty to do something nice for Donald but he thinks they're up to no good!  Donald's Happy Birthday is a good example of that, and under today's MMPA would absurdly be rated R.

But personally, I love the specific Goofy cartoons that were presented in documentary style.  Motor Mania is a perfect example of this style.  I'm sure these are on youtube or somewhere.]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[HoldingOurOwn]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-07-21T23:09:01Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: The Classic Animation Thread]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[[quote=Carrotzy][quote=Mr Vertigo][url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkNV-0O1ya8]Modern[/url] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZMKdjfAugk]cartoons[/url] have beautiful animation too, you know. ;)[/quote]

Ok then :rolleyes:[/quote]
Well, you [i]could[/i] roll your eyes dismissively at the notion that contemporary animation can be beautiful... or you could take the more interesting route, expend the effort to look further into the extraordinary amount of animation floating around on the internet, and make an educated decision. I won't go so far as to say animation produced today is better in general than "classic animation"- I don't even know that I think that; I prefer to compare works on their own merits instead of trying to group things into eras. But if you can't find any appeal given how much work is out there now, it's difficult to believe you're trying very hard.

Brushing off people who are trying to have a friendly conversation with you is kind of rude either way.]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Squash]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-07-21T15:58:17Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[Yeah, I'll vouch for Vertigo's point completely. Disney has been putting out some of their best animation in years with their recent [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF_hfyIvids]series of Mickey Mouse cartoons[/url]. There is and will always be great animation, you just might not always see it.]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Sonjira]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-07-21T14:37:46Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: The Classic Animation Thread]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[[quote=Mr Vertigo][url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkNV-0O1ya8]Modern[/url] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZMKdjfAugk]cartoons[/url] have beautiful animation too, you know. ;)[/quote]

Ok then :rolleyes:]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Carrotzy]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-07-21T13:23:46Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkNV-0O1ya8]Modern[/url] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZMKdjfAugk]cartoons[/url] have beautiful animation too, you know. ;)]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Mr Vertigo]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-07-20T18:11:03Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[[quote=HoldingOurOwn]What do you like about the classics?[/quote]

The humor and the beautiful animation. :)]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Carrotzy]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-07-20T10:16:21Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[What do you like about the classics?]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[HoldingOurOwn]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-07-20T00:17:06Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[I never really found what's appealing with modern cartoons.]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Carrotzy]]></name>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[Much of Disney's technical innovation was actually stolen from the Fleischer brothers.  Rotoscoping, for instance.

But Walter Lantz stole Oswald The Lucky Rabbit from Disney and began animating it for Universal.

More on the Fleischer Studios: Everyone knows that Snow White and th Seven Dwarfs is the first animated movie.  The second is Fleischers' "Gulliver's Travels".

Also, Betty Boop was originally a dog, and she appeared (as a human) in the first Popeye cartoon: "Popeye the Sailor".  Betty Boop was topless (except for a lei) and Popeye gets right up on the stage and dances with her... uninvited... IN FRONT OF OLIVE OYL!  I meantioned this Fleisher fact earlier, but I also must add that the scene has nothing to do with the plot!

Popeye was also the hero in many World War II cartoons that, like most WWII cartoons of all animation studios, are banned from TV.  One of the more well-known Popeye cartoons, "Your A Sap, Mr. Jap", is filled with ethnic stereotypes that some in modern audiences wouldn't be able to handle, even in a historical context.  And so, instead of learning from history, it's kept from the public.

Disney/RKO Pictures had it's share (like "Der Fuhrer's Face" with Donald Duck), as did Warner Bros (like "Hare Meets Herr", where Bugs Bunny antagonizes a German soldier, whom he encounters after making a wrong turn in Albuquerque).

Disney had ethnic stereotypes outside the war theater.  "Sympahny Time" had an Italian stereotype: a music critic named Mr. Macaroni.  I'm half Italian (pardon my French name), and I love the character, as I do the Italian chef who wanted to cook Bugs Bunny, and Mario & Luigi.  

Speaking of Sight and Sound: In the IRC chat the other day, I suggested watching the 1963 Warner Brothers Cartoon "Now Hear This".  It's notable because the entire soundtrack is composed of sounds from the WB/Seven Arts sound effects library.  It is obscure on the internet, but it can be seen in the Looney Tunes Golden Collection, Volume 3 DVD box set.  And no, you can't borrow mine.

Another one that's more visually-inspired is THE LINE AND THE DOT, which Chuck Jones directed for MGM's animation studio.  It seems to be Flatland inspired.  

And totally unrealted, just for some laughs, enjoy THE CAT THAT HATED PEOPLE, one of my all-time favorite golden age cartoons.  Directed by Tex Avery (my favorite director), and released under MGM, it's a must-watch!]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[this was very helpful.
Trivia fact: did you know that disney ruined the public domain system so that they could keep the rights to there films for longer?
Well now you do * [i] cheesy outro music [/i]]]></content>
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