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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Marvel Movies discussion thread]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[[quote=backyardlegos]They will almost certainly be brought back under the control of the greater Marvel umbrella. The films that are already deep into production will come out, but after Deadpool 2 I fear there is extremely little chance of us ever seeing another R rated Marvel film. I'm a little afraid that Disney will force Deadpool 2 to be toned down in the edit, leaving it in an awkward in-between state that falls totally flat.[/quote]
Disney hasn't stopped studios it acquired in the past from making R-rated movies. I don't really see a reason to worry that they'll start now, particularly in the case of Deadpool which was a huge box office success. They're not going to intentionally sabotage their own profits.]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Squash]]></name>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/36/</uri>
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			<updated>2017-12-17T18:18:28Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Marvel Movies discussion thread]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[I got bored with Marvel movies a while ago myself.  DC even more so.]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[HoldingOurOwn]]></name>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/125690/</uri>
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			<updated>2017-12-16T18:50:27Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Marvel Movies discussion thread]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[I really don't want to see the X-men join the MCU, because I think they work better on their own. To be honest, though, with Disney owning more and more of Hollywood, they're going to have to tone down some of their rules when it comes to everything being PG-13 and whatnot. There is no way the Simpsons or Family Guy will ever change (if anything, the Simpsons will just joke about it), and I think they will remain separate entities when it comes to their content. When it comes to movies like Deadpool, it's so disconnected from the rest of the X-men franchise, it could almost be in it's own universe, which I think would probably happen now. There would be no point toning down Deadpool, because people that don't like the R-rated humour and gore won't bother watching a Deadpool movie, meaning that a PG-13 Deadpool movie would be for pretty much no one. Don't forget that the Netflix shows like Daredevil are in the MCU, and those shows are R-rated!]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[William Osborne]]></name>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/132919/</uri>
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			<updated>2017-12-15T10:16:49Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Marvel Movies discussion thread]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[They will almost certainly be brought back under the control of the greater Marvel umbrella. The films that are already deep into production will come out, but after Deadpool 2 I fear there is extremely little chance of us ever seeing another R rated Marvel film. I'm a little afraid that Disney will force Deadpool 2 to be toned down in the edit, leaving it in an awkward in-between state that falls totally flat.]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[backyardlegos]]></name>
				<email><![CDATA[backyardlegos@gmail.com]]></email>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/4579/</uri>
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			<updated>2017-12-15T03:56:57Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Marvel Movies discussion thread]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[Deadpool and Logan were game changers not just because of the language, but they were different and unique to the standard formula. Really hope Disney doesn't mess with that. New mutants and Dark Phonix look good too. How is it going to work now? Are the X-men films going to be rebooted or what? 

Side note: Fantastic Four really needed the save. 3 films about them, and they are all bad.]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[funmiproductions]]></name>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/2854/</uri>
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			<updated>2017-12-14T18:36:28Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Marvel Movies discussion thread]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[Weighing in on Deadpool, I have seen it, and thought it was really well done. Part of the problem with the trailer, was that they had to tone it down a lot so that people wouldn't be offended if they accidentally stumbled across it.

The movie is very full on. Definitely not a movie to take the kids along to. And Deadpool is definitely not a superhero movie (addressed by Deadpool himself in the film). The humor is something that not everyone will enjoy, but if you don't mind the more adult humor, this movie is one to see.

I knew from the opening credits that it would be a good movie, with no actual names being used, instead a lot of name calling to essential cast and crew.

I personally think the film is a breath of fresh air in the super 'hero' genre, going somewhere where no superhero film has gone.]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Kieren Barnett]]></name>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/131701/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-03-13T03:49:02Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Marvel Movies discussion thread]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA["Hey everyone"
[img]http://media.comicbook.com/2016/03/spidey-caps-shield-173556.jpg[/img]]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[funmiproductions]]></name>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/2854/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-03-10T23:54:54Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Marvel Movies discussion thread]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[I retitled accordingly to make the thread more open.]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[funmiproductions]]></name>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/2854/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-02-07T14:28:08Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Marvel Movies discussion thread]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[To clarify, I don't have a problem with people discussing the marvel licensed movies by other studios in here. I think it's better than having a separate thread for each set of comic book movies haha.

As for the mythic, god-like Apocalypse thing, I thought it was a neat idea. I'm a Christian but I don't mind comic book movies showing things that I don't believe are true; I like it when stories acknowledge and play with these topics as long as they're not going out of their way to be disrespectful or something. I don't believe any of the events portrayed in comic book movies are true, after all, and that's okay. A bit like an idea posited by [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Schaeffer]Francis Schaeffer[/url]:

[quote="Francis Schaeffer"]The Christian should be the person who is alive, whose imagination absolutely boils, which moves, which produces something a bit different from God's world because God made us to be creative.[/quote]]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Sméagol]]></name>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/28/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-02-07T07:42:13Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Marvel Movies discussion thread]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[For anyone a little confused, in the comics Apocalypse gets a lot of his non-mutant powers (and his funky armour) from the Celestials, a race of space-gods who sort of oversee different aspects of universal progression. Specifically, he gets his power from the Celestial Gardener. However, I believe those rights lie with Marvel Studios, and also it would be quite a step to go from their earth-bound canon to space-gods without an introduction to aliens on a smaller scale in-between. Where I say space-gods, I should also point out that within the comics, there is one true god called the One-Above-All, generally considered to be the Judeo-Christian, monotheistic god worshipped by a vast chunk of Marvel's audience. They're never oblique about it, but the imagery is there; he/she is god, but on an omniversal scale, and so you have a sort of heirachy of belief systems that operate underneath.

Anyhow, I digress. As I was saying, in the comics Apocalypse's backstory is more complicated, however the implication is that he assumed the role of various Kemetic deities (which the post-credits scene from DofP and the new movie's trailer suggest the filmmakers have chosen to keep), and though they never outright connect him to other, more widely-practiced religions, there's a [i]lot[/i] of biblical imagery. I'd actually be disappointed if they left out the latter, particularly considering the aspect of the Four Horsemen which is so deeply ingrained in X-Men mythology.

Apocalypse isn't just a mutant either. He's a king, an emperor, and he has a reputation to uphold. So whether he actually is a religious figure or not may irrelevant, because he could be bluffing. He could be appropriating the names of feared, powerful gods, and their imagery, in order to make himself seem more enigmatic, more powerful, and to really give his enemies something to fear (bear in mind that at the time when he was first active, the general population were highly superstitious).

And what's to say that, as the first mutant, and one of great power, he doesn't genuinely believe that he is a god made flesh?

But above all, bear in mind that the filmmakers have the same right to express their beliefs as you do, and they may not be Christian. While in terms of publicity it may not be smart, in terms of story it makes a lot of sense. So far, the X-Men universe is a secular, science fiction universe (I don't mean none of the characters are religious, I mean that the laws of this world are governed by science and not belief, the supernatural, or religious philosophy), so there's no reason for a group of agnostic or atheist filmmakers to not treat Christianity the same way as Kemeticism or folk religion. I have no idea whether the filmmakers are, but bear it in mind that they might be religious, they might not, and either way they're perfectly free to use their personal philosophies to inform the stories they want to tell.

What I'm trying to say is that there are a bunch of reasons why they might be using religious imagery and iconography in [i]X-Men: Apocalypse[/i], and the fact they are doesn't have to be a bad thing depending on the filmmakers' intentions, and on what we as the audience read into it. I wouldn't jump to be offended until you've actually seen the film.

Sorry for the wall.

Side-note, if there's a Foxverse thread, these posts should probably be moved there. Like Smeagol said, the MCU is completely separate.]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jampot]]></name>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/189/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-02-07T00:42:16Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Marvel Movies discussion thread]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[PSA: The X-Men and Deadpool movies are by 20th Century Fox as part of a deal licensing those characters to them a long time ago, and are not made by Marvel Studios or part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Sméagol]]></name>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/28/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-02-06T05:42:23Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Marvel Movies discussion thread]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[Within the fictional universe I think that is exactly what they are implying. I was taken a back when I noticed that in the trailer as well. I think the Fox owed X-Men franchise is trying to explain God in their films in a similar way Disney and Marvel Studios have for Nors mythology. Basically saying that the reason primitive man worshiped these beings is because they couldn't understand their power. But the difference in the two is that Nors mythology is universally considered to be not true and thus it works for most in a fictional setting. Where as taking modern religions like Christianity and trying to explain them the same way doesn't work so well since millions (including myself) still believe in that faith. 

One other difference is that Marvel Studious have explicitly stated that Thor and the other "gods" are in fact not gods in the Marvel universe. But I'm still unsure whether Apocalypse is meant to be the same or in fact be God in the film.]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Galactic Films]]></name>
				<email><![CDATA[canaantmay@gmail.com]]></email>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/131162/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-02-06T05:04:09Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Marvel Movies discussion thread]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[Again, as I have mentioned earlier, I have become quite an X-men and have liked every single one of them (yes, even Origins). But I am concerned about the latest trailer for Apocalypse. Are they trying to say that Apocalypse is God? I really think it seems unlikely that with the other films being respectable of religion and now after years of an ever growing fan-base (both religious and non-religious) that they would make a film so controversial, and it also seems quite un-Marvel, who usually try and stay pretty neutral about such issues. I really do hope they are not trying to imply that God is a mutant. What is your opinion on this? Do you really think they would change their philosophy so drastically?]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[William Osborne]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-02-05T22:56:01Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Marvel Movies discussion thread]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[[quote=William Osborne]Well, if Marvel decides that they want to make more R-rated movies, I probably won't watch them anymore.[/quote]Good, I can put my popcorn box on your seat, then.]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Lechnology]]></name>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/80/</uri>
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			<updated>2016-01-29T20:12:35Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Marvel Movies discussion thread]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[@Smocktopus They can, they choose not to.
@William Osborne Money]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Kd2000]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-01-29T09:56:29Z</updated>
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