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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Nikon or Canon.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[First thing I'm going to say is that I'm a fan of using old manual focus lenses over modern ones for stop motion: 

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMcfTzvq9do[/url]

Now I'll talk about that lens. If you insist on using a modern lens (and there are some advantages, I suppose :P ) That's a pretty good one. I don't have any personal experience with it, but after sifting through some sample images it seems to deliver pretty good quality, and for a new lens it's actually quite cheap (welcome to the world of real photography gear). Also, it's cheaper on B and H than on amazon, so if you buy it, get it there. It's also got good specs to it, including the short minimum focusing distance so coveted by brickfilmers, and some other nice stuff, like 9 aperture blades, and f/2.8 is nice. You should be fine with that focal length, I shoot almost exclusively with a 50mm prime; just be aware you may find yourself pulling your camera back a ways from the set to get certain shots. If you don't have a tripod and don't see one in your near future, you might want to try and find something that will let you get a little wider without pulling the camera back to far, which is a fine balance to find for your particular working space, and will probably involve some tests with a measuring tape. That may be a little unclear, if you want more explaining just ask, I need to go to bed. :P]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[backyardlegos]]></name>
				<email><![CDATA[backyardlegos@gmail.com]]></email>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/4579/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-05-16T09:16:26Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Nikon or Canon.]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/324007/#p324007"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[I have a Nikon D3100, it takes gorgeous photos but the lenses aren't ideal for shooting minifigs up close.  Right now I'm looking at this lens: [url]http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-60mm-2-8G-Micro-Nikkor-Cameras/dp/B0013A1XDY[/url]

It's expensive, and I wanted to ask the more experienced members on this site if this is a good investment.  Are there other, cheaper options available that would get the job done?  Also, does the 60mm carry any significant advantage over a 40mm?]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Walrus]]></name>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/123551/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-05-16T01:03:37Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Nikon or Canon.]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/320341/#p320341"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[[quote=backyardlegos]Okay, you guys are practically arguing over two different things. Carroll is obviously coming at this from a filmmaker’s perspective, while Slurping is coming from the photographer’s perspective. For film making, a DSLR can last a lot longer than for photography. To specifically address the 3-5 years argument, Slurping seems to be getting this number from professional photographers, and I'm going to assume he's tell the truth about his sources. If you look at the professional camera market, about every 3-5 years DSLR bodies make a huge leap. The sensor quality is not the only important thing to professional photographers. There's drive speed, processor speed, auto focus speed and accuracy, battery life, and a lot of other stuff. These are details that make a big difference to the working photographer, but not to a mom taking pictures of her kids. These are also things that don't matter to someone primarily using a camera for video. In fact, DSLR video hasn't really improved since the 5D Mark II and the 7D (except the EOS-1Dx C, which I don't think anyone here can afford). If you’re using your camera to film, there's no reason to upgrade as long as it still works; but for photographers, there are a lot of others aspects of a camera body which are improving at a much higher rate than image quality, which are really important. So basically you’re both right. You’re arguing black and white in a very grey field.

This whole argument seems to have started because Carroll belittled the gear of some other members. The camera is not what makes the art, it’s the person behind the camera. The T3 might not be the best thing out there, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t capable of producing good images, I’ve seen it used on a very professional stop motion production. Carroll, the T2i isn’t exactly top notch either, so please don’t scoff at others' cameras. There’s been a lot of negativity in the community recently over some really dumb arguments, and it’s frustrating. Slurping, there is absolutely fashion within photography, far too many people focus on what camera they have instead of what they can do with it. I used to be one of these people, and I’m working very hard to change that. Instead of arguing, go out and make something.[/quote]

I agree.
I have seen many brickfilms that look great but there story sucks.
It does not matter how well you animate and how great it looks, if you don't have a good story then why bother?
At the end of the day everyone will have there own opinion on what is good and each person will use camera's that they like and most importantly are in there price bracket. Myself I set a budget for around $700 and got a good camera with the bag, lens filter, memory card and super great warranty. Personally something like this I would never buy used no matter how great the deal because if something breaks then what?
I am certain most used items thru private sales do not give you a warranty or maybe what 30 days?
And no one's opinion is ever the wrong one either.]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Antonio Ferrara]]></name>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/4198/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-03-15T18:58:03Z</updated>
			<id>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/320341/#p320341</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Nikon or Canon.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[Okay, you guys are practically arguing over two different things. Carroll is obviously coming at this from a filmmaker’s perspective, while Slurping is coming from the photographer’s perspective. For film making, a DSLR can last a lot longer than for photography. To specifically address the 3-5 years argument, Slurping seems to be getting this number from professional photographers, and I'm going to assume he's tell the truth about his sources. If you look at the professional camera market, about every 3-5 years DSLR bodies make a huge leap. The sensor quality is not the only important thing to professional photographers. There's drive speed, processor speed, auto focus speed and accuracy, battery life, and a lot of other stuff. These are details that make a big difference to the working photographer, but not to a mom taking pictures of her kids. These are also things that don't matter to someone primarily using a camera for video. In fact, DSLR video hasn't really improved since the 5D Mark II and the 7D (except the EOS-1Dx C, which I don't think anyone here can afford). If you’re using your camera to film, there's no reason to upgrade as long as it still works; but for photographers, there are a lot of others aspects of a camera body which are improving at a much higher rate than image quality, which are really important. So basically you’re both right. You’re arguing black and white in a very grey field.

This whole argument seems to have started because Carroll belittled the gear of some other members. The camera is not what makes the art, it’s the person behind the camera. The T3 might not be the best thing out there, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t capable of producing good images, I’ve seen it used on a very professional stop motion production. Carroll, the T2i isn’t exactly top notch either, so please don’t scoff at others' cameras. There’s been a lot of negativity in the community recently over some really dumb arguments, and it’s frustrating. Slurping, there is absolutely fashion within photography, far too many people focus on what camera they have instead of what they can do with it. I used to be one of these people, and I’m working very hard to change that. Instead of arguing, go out and make something.]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[backyardlegos]]></name>
				<email><![CDATA[backyardlegos@gmail.com]]></email>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/4579/</uri>
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			<updated>2014-03-15T08:24:38Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Nikon or Canon.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[My last post explained what I meant by 'outdated'
I didn't necessarily say that when you have a newly released camera, you then buy the newest one that comes out. That would be a waste of money, unless you are rich, of into collecting photographic memorabilia. 
Into the up to date fashion of things? I thought that only applied to clothes that people want that are 'fresh' and 'new'
Whenever I said outdated, I didn't mean something that was second best, or second release; I meant something that was a decade old, and had lacked the features of our modern day cameras. Sure, there are photographers who use photographic equipment from the 70's still!]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Slurpy]]></name>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/125782/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-03-15T01:04:10Z</updated>
			<id>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/320219/#p320219</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Nikon or Canon.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[It's like the Ti series. 

Just because your T4i is "outdated" because of the T5i release, you must get the newest one because it's new. Even though it has the exact same features and has no improvement to it, other than it goes up a number, you should totally buy it because fashion. 

"You don't need to fix what isn't broken."]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[CarrollFilms]]></name>
				<email><![CDATA[sean.m.carroll95@gmail.com]]></email>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/973/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-03-15T00:24:48Z</updated>
			<id>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/320216/#p320216</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Nikon or Canon.]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/320211/#p320211"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[Yeah. Depending on which camera you're already using that can be the better option.]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Sméagol]]></name>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/28/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-03-14T22:57:44Z</updated>
			<id>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/320211/#p320211</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Nikon or Canon.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[[quote=Sméagol]However, you can get Canon to replace the shutter for $200-300 last I checked, so it's not the end of the world if that happens every couple years.[/quote]

At that price, though, I'd rather just buy a new camera for $450-$500.]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Nathan Wells]]></name>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/335/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-03-14T21:39:06Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Nikon or Canon.]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/320206/#p320206"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[[quote=AlNickelsFilms]However, DSLR's do eventually break down. I believe Canon rates the shutter life expectancy of their mid-range DSLR's good for 50,000 - 150,000 actuations.[/quote]

This. It sounds like a lot, but 50,000 is only about 55 minutes of footage at 15 fps, so it's an upper limit an avid brickfilmer may eventually hit.

However, you can get Canon to replace the shutter for $200-300 last I checked, so it's not the end of the world if that happens every couple years.]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Sméagol]]></name>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/28/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-03-14T20:47:31Z</updated>
			<id>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/320206/#p320206</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Nikon or Canon.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[[quote=AlNickelsFilms][quote=Slurping Animations]...as the camera is usually 'outdated'...[/quote]

'Outdated' is a subjective term. Also, 'outdated' does not equal 'need to be replaced'. 

Once the iPhone 6 is released, some people will proclaim that the iPhone 5S is outdated. However, the 5S will continue to work perfectly fine and will run the latest iOS for years to come. Heck, the iPhone 4S runs iOS 7 (albeit not as quickly as the 5S runs iOS 7, but it still runs).

Early adopters, professionals and technophiles always want to run/use the latest equipment and proclaim the last version 'outdated' once the new model comes out. If your friends are professional photographers, I think you should take their opinion with a grain of salt. They, most likely, are using their cameras for different purposes or pushing the limits of their equipment more so than your average brickfilmer.

However, DSLR's do eventually break down. I believe Canon rates the shutter life expectancy of their mid-range DSLR's good for 50,000 - 150,000 actuations. It's a mechanical device, it will eventually break down; but only after many, many photos.

Thus, best not to think in terms of years, but rather, total pictures taken when considering the lifespan of a DSLR.[/quote]

I agree with you bud.
I have been using my iPhone 4 and have no desire to upgrade until it has used it lasts breath.
Anything you own is as good as you take care of it.]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Antonio Ferrara]]></name>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/4198/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-03-14T20:45:45Z</updated>
			<id>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/320205/#p320205</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Nikon or Canon.]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/320203/#p320203"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[The lifespan that I said was used in them terms-although it may not have been interpreted wrong.
Photographers usually have to get 5-20 photos of a decent camera angle, thus, they are shorting there life span of the camera.
By the word outdated, it would be better for a photographer to use a camera in our present day, than use a camera 15 or more years ago.]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Slurpy]]></name>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/125782/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-03-14T20:36:32Z</updated>
			<id>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/320203/#p320203</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Nikon or Canon.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[[quote=Slurping Animations]...as the camera is usually 'outdated'...[/quote]

'Outdated' is a subjective term. Also, 'outdated' does not equal 'need to be replaced'. 

Once the iPhone 6 is released, some people will proclaim that the iPhone 5S is outdated. However, the 5S will continue to work perfectly fine and will run the latest iOS for years to come. Heck, the iPhone 4S runs iOS 7 (albeit not as quickly as the 5S runs iOS 7, but it still runs).

Early adopters, professionals and technophiles always want to run/use the latest equipment and proclaim the last version 'outdated' once the new model comes out. If your friends are professional photographers, I think you should take their opinion with a grain of salt. They, most likely, are using their cameras for different purposes or pushing the limits of their equipment more so than your average brickfilmer.

However, DSLR's do eventually break down. I believe Canon rates the shutter life expectancy of their mid-range DSLR's good for 50,000 - 150,000 actuations. It's a mechanical device, it will eventually break down; but only after many, many photos.

Thus, best not to think in terms of years, but rather, total pictures taken when considering the lifespan of a DSLR.]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[AlNickelsFilms]]></name>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/3434/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-03-14T20:15:32Z</updated>
			<id>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/320202/#p320202</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Nikon or Canon.]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/320200/#p320200"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[I didn't necessary say 2-3 years, I said on average of 3-5 years, and that is of good decent use nd not keeping it in a cupboard to collect dust, and to show off a pretty piece of hardware.
A waste of money for spending £300 average every 3-5 years? i don't want to sound mean, but I know people
who spend more than £300 on chewing gum a year, (2 packets a day, each being 52p-and not the nice kind, either)
I feel that if we kept this bickering going, there is going to be a Canon and Nikon war that will last 3-5 years.]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Slurpy]]></name>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/125782/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-03-14T20:00:09Z</updated>
			<id>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/320200/#p320200</id>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Nikon or Canon.]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/320199/#p320199"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[Gurl, you don't know anything about DSLR filming, uh hu. I film at least 8 hours a week with my T2i. You don't know what a warm camera in your hands feels like, mmhmm. My mom has been using a Nikon D5000 since 2009 and it shows no sign of aging or wear and tear. 

The only reason I'd buy a new camera is because my current one has either died or there is a camera cheaper and better than what I already have. No sense in buying a better camera that literally does the exact same thing that your last one did. Maybe it has an extra Megapixel and can handle better low lighting, but you can't tell the difference. As long as you buy a new camera nobody will care. 

Straight and simple, you don't need a new DSLR every 2-3 years. More like a waste of money if you asked anybody. 

Don't need to fix what ain't broke :P]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[CarrollFilms]]></name>
				<email><![CDATA[sean.m.carroll95@gmail.com]]></email>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/973/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-03-14T19:53:07Z</updated>
			<id>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/320199/#p320199</id>
		</entry>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Nikon or Canon.]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/320198/#p320198"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[[quote=CarrollFilms]
You have got to be joking, right?[/quote]
No. I don't think there was anyhing comedic about my post, if there was, feel free to let me know!
I know some pretty damn good photographers, and they have said you should get a new DSLR every few years, as the camera is usually 'outdated' and even the term of 'used' can even be said. If you use your DSLR as much as they do, then heck, you would be looking for a new camera in that time period.]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Slurpy]]></name>
				<uri>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/user/125782/</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-03-14T19:34:17Z</updated>
			<id>https://bricksinmotion.com/forums/post/320198/#p320198</id>
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