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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[The Hobbit 2 comes out on the ten year anniversary of Return of the King.]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[Today marks the 10th anniversary of The Return of the King in cinemas, way back in 2003. As a winner of 11 Academy Awards, I'm pretty sure it's very well-respected in the film community. I was kind of hoping they would put the film back in cinemas for a one-day only special screening. But, it didn't seem like they were really planning on doing so.]]></content>
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			<updated>2013-12-17T23:06:18Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[I just picked up some Jeff Hirsch books at my Book Fair last week. I'm probably gonna read those soon.]]></content>
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			<updated>2013-09-19T01:51:14Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[I'm not saying the Silmarillion isn't good, it's just I wasn't able to read it through very quickly and had to put it aside because I had other books I need or want to read. Having read several Shakespeare plays and Fahrenheit 451 (although Shakespeare is pretty easy for me to read, Fahrenheit 451 not so much), I agree with you that there is value in works that are dense, it's just that they're harder to get through than books that are more "readable" (Other works I've found dense include Frankenstein, and both are good works of literature). I want to read the Silmarillion, it's just the book is dense and I have a habit of reading three books or so at a time, that leads to me dropping a book for several weeks until I can't get characters straight (The list of these books is very long, including 1984, Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, Game of Thrones, and Winston Churchill's Second World War memoirs, all of which I need to finish at some point).]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[[quote=Willco66]I tried reading the Silmarillion, but it's pretty dense. Imagine reading Genesis in the King James Version, and not knowing of any of the characters or events before hand.[/quote]

It would be a steep learning curve, and a fun challenge. But, to each his own; if you don't like it that's your opinion. But what about Shakespeare? I found that incredibly difficult, as well as Fahrenheit 451. But by the end, I felt that I had learned something. Every story has a moral/theme, so If you read through the Silmarillion; you might learn something your glad to know!]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Legocloniac477]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-09-18T23:08:29Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[I tried reading the Silmarillion, but it's pretty dense. Imagine reading Genesis in the King James Version, and not knowing of any of the characters or events before hand.]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[I've already peeked at the appendices a little. And the timeline of events of the Fellowship of the Ring (Appendix C, I think). I think I'll check it out.

I actually just finished reading [i]The Lord of the Rings[/i] this morning. It was great. So many great quotes in there, and I loved every minute reading it. I don't think I will read [i]The Silmarillion[/i], though. But, I might want to check out some of Tolkien's other short stories.]]></content>
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			<updated>2013-09-18T13:16:33Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[If your interesting in the back ground history of Middle-Earth, I definitely recommend the appendices. The stuff in there ranges from Dwarven history before the Hobbit, to Family trees of the Kings of Gondor to a copy of the Shire calendar, and the romance between Aragorn and Arwen. So I recommend skimming it to look for stuff that interests you.]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[BUMP

Well, I'm nearing completion of the whole book. Finished the penultimate chapter, and I've got about ten pages left! However, I'm still debating on whether or not I should check out the appendices...]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[Ah, sort of like [i]War and Peace[/i] - but with Hobbits...]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Max Butcher]]></name>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[[quote=Mickey]Well, I finished reading [i]The Fellowship of the Ring[/i] on Saturday morning, while driving home from the beach. Later on, I went and purchased [i]The Two Towers[/i]. I'm finishing up Chapter 2: The Riders of Rohan. But, here's a funny thing about how the pages are numbered.

When I first opened up the book, I quickly flipped to the back and noticed it had over 700 pages! I thought to myself, "Boy, that's a read!", but I turned to the first page...it said "403". Why would the first page be the 403rd page? Well, Tolkien had specially numbered his books. [i]The Fellowship of the Ring[/i] ended on the 398th page. Along with Tolkien's maps at the end of the book, it came out to about 402 pages exactly. So, the pages in [i]The Two Towers[/i] pick up right after the pages in [i]The Fellowship of the Ring[/i]. 

Do you get what I'm saying? The second volume comes RIGHT AFTER the first volume, picking up on the 403rd page. It's strange, but you gotta love Tolkien's lovely style.[/quote]

When Tolkien wrote the book, he meant it to be one single novel, dived into three volumes.]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[[quote=Max Butcher]Every single fantasy film/book/game since the books came out has been about immortal elves who use mainly bows and live in forests, headstrong dwarves who wear beards, live underground, are great craftsmen, and smash things a lot, racist humans, and ugly creatures who are evil because they are ugly (double standards much?).[/quote]

You do have a very good point there.  The typical fantasy doesn't usually sway much from others.  When getting into a fantasy universe, you can usually just assume stuff about the cultures and you'll be right.
I myself am rather guilty of that in thinking up Riigo-Faloo, but at least my elves aren't immortal, I don't have humans, and the ugly goblins are famous as great heroes.  So it's not too bad, I guess.

And there are some more clever sci-fi stories, like Firefly.  It's rather interesting that there are no aliens at all in that.

But on the Hobbit, I thought it was the best book I ever read. It's a perfect adventure story.  I enjoyed the first movie, just not the HFR.  I'm actually finding the additional material rather interesting.]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[Well, I finished reading [i]The Fellowship of the Ring[/i] on Saturday morning, while driving home from the beach. Later on, I went and purchased [i]The Two Towers[/i]. I'm finishing up Chapter 2: The Riders of Rohan. But, here's a funny thing about how the pages are numbered.

When I first opened up the book, I quickly flipped to the back and noticed it had over 700 pages! I thought to myself, "Boy, that's a read!", but I turned to the first page...it said "403". Why would the first page be the 403rd page? Well, Tolkien had specially numbered his books. [i]The Fellowship of the Ring[/i] ended on the 398th page. Along with Tolkien's maps at the end of the book, it came out to about 402 pages exactly. So, the pages in [i]The Two Towers[/i] pick up right after the pages in [i]The Fellowship of the Ring[/i]. 

Do you get what I'm saying? The second volume comes RIGHT AFTER the first volume, picking up on the 403rd page. It's strange, but you gotta love Tolkien's lovely style.]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Mickey]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-06-26T01:21:18Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[You are definitely right Max, LOTR and Star wars set the standard for fantasy and Sci-Fi. Me and my friend have often talked about the effect of Tolkien's literature, and you said it, it changed that genre of fantasy. Now every medieval fantasy that comes out rips their portrayal of their races right out of LOTR.
I would really like to see some originality in this area of writing, I know it would be hard to get accepted if your elves weren't "immortal gods" and the like, or if your dwarves lived above ground and could shoot bows and climb trees (poor examples). But I think that if you took great care to form your story and style of writing, you could make it work.]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[[quote=Max Butcher]I really like LOTR - but I hate its influence on the fantasy genre. 
[stuff]
Why doesn't fantasy try more Japanese folklore, or native American folklore? Or why don't writers research and find some really obscure folklore? Why always Europe? I know we're awesome, but [i]everyone else has done it[/i]. [/quote]
Yeah, I really wish this was a thing! Even if they go just a little bit in any direction they'll find something that hasn't been done before! I love Irish and Finnish mythology, which has more influence on fantasy than what you mentioned, but still not very much at all. 
Or better yet, someone needs to just [i]make something up[/i]. Or maybe this has been already done before and people were like, this ain't no fantasy I'm readin', this is absurdist/post-modernist/whatever you wanna call it (I'm thinkin of [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmicomics]Italo Calvino[/url] right now... technically he is a science fiction author, but his ideas are so different than Star Wars that I'm having trouble calling him that)
So I guess it's that... Lord of the Rings kind of started the whole fantasy thing, and it's because of that series that fantasy is associated with eastern european folklore medieval settings?]]></content>
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